Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:05 pm
You and me both.
Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:15 pm
I didn't say anything about mud slinging, or name calling, or slogans, or partisan anything.
I happen to think both of the parties that dominate mainstream politics are part right, part wrong, and mostly full of themselves rather than having the interest of the American people in mind. That is completely beside the point.
What I did say is that it does NOBODY any good to just stay out of the fight because you don't like how its being conducted. In fact, it does much more harm than good to steer clear.
Even though I have a dislike for a lot of what happens on the political scene, I still participate. If I can send in an absentee ballot from the UK or Afghanistan, none of you that are currently residing in the US have any excuse as to why you're not engaged.
Again, it is a right and responsibility as an American to be engaged. Period.
I happen to think both of the parties that dominate mainstream politics are part right, part wrong, and mostly full of themselves rather than having the interest of the American people in mind. That is completely beside the point.
What I did say is that it does NOBODY any good to just stay out of the fight because you don't like how its being conducted. In fact, it does much more harm than good to steer clear.
Even though I have a dislike for a lot of what happens on the political scene, I still participate. If I can send in an absentee ballot from the UK or Afghanistan, none of you that are currently residing in the US have any excuse as to why you're not engaged.
Again, it is a right and responsibility as an American to be engaged. Period.
Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:26 pm
Randy Haskin wrote:I didn't say anything about mud slinging, or name calling, or slogans, or partisan anything.
I happen to think both of the parties that dominate mainstream politics are part right, part wrong, and mostly full of themselves rather than having the interest of the American people in mind. That is completely beside the point.
What I did say is that it does NOBODY any good to just stay out of the fight because you don't like how its being conducted. In fact, it does much more harm than good to steer clear.
Even though I have a dislike for a lot of what happens on the political scene, I still participate. If I can send in an absentee ballot from the UK or Afghanistan, none of you that are currently residing in the US have any excuse as to why you're not engaged.
Again, it is a right and responsibility as an American to be engaged. Period.
Shazam, right on bro.
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Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:00 pm
It always sort of disgusts me that on a site dominated by veterans, there are those who think it is okay to sling insults at either end of the spectrum. We fought and bled and died in order to preserve the right to think and act as we wish, and that anyone would be stupid enough to come here and insult liberals or conservatives strikes me as downright unpatriotic. Our obligations to think, act and lead did not end when we took off our boots (or in the air force's case slippers 
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back to the original subject--is there any way that Daly's concerns about the GG or buildings being hit could be sensible? I understand that he is making political points, but is there any basis of truth there?
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back to the original subject--is there any way that Daly's concerns about the GG or buildings being hit could be sensible? I understand that he is making political points, but is there any basis of truth there?
Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:58 pm
It always sort of disgusts me that on a site dominated by veterans, there are those who think it is okay to sling insults at either end of the spectrum.
Yeah I totally agree. This is America folks and if you have an opinion tell it to your pillow!
Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:51 pm
No, just refrain from calling me retarded for my own. 
Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:12 pm
If everyone had the same thoughts, what a boring world we would live in.
We have to sling mud. Everyone has ideas of who is right and who is wrong, but it is not my job to determine that, only my job to voice my voice, right or wrong to you. That is america.
It kind of reminds me of how people are trying to hard to bury things like Japan and the A-Bomb and Germany and killing Jews.
It happened, nothing you or I can do about it but learn from those mistakes.
Yes, we have a lot of Veterans here, and of course, unless you have been in our shoes, it is hard to understand our firm beliefs, but don't try to make us stop remembering our fellow and past freedom fighters.
We have to sling mud. Everyone has ideas of who is right and who is wrong, but it is not my job to determine that, only my job to voice my voice, right or wrong to you. That is america.
It kind of reminds me of how people are trying to hard to bury things like Japan and the A-Bomb and Germany and killing Jews.
It happened, nothing you or I can do about it but learn from those mistakes.
Yes, we have a lot of Veterans here, and of course, unless you have been in our shoes, it is hard to understand our firm beliefs, but don't try to make us stop remembering our fellow and past freedom fighters.
Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:22 pm
Paul, there is a difference between expressing your opinion and degrading a person with an opposed opinion. Civility in debate has a great deal to do with why America is great.
Other nations don't show it. Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany did not. They also came to refuse to allow any debate at all. Not an uncommon trend.
There is a natural progression from civility to incivility to abuse to murder that can be seen in almost any deteriorating society.
We often mistake the right (or duty) to speak our minds with the right to insult anyone as we please. There is a great difference and some posters here could benefit by learning that.
Other nations don't show it. Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany did not. They also came to refuse to allow any debate at all. Not an uncommon trend.
There is a natural progression from civility to incivility to abuse to murder that can be seen in almost any deteriorating society.
We often mistake the right (or duty) to speak our minds with the right to insult anyone as we please. There is a great difference and some posters here could benefit by learning that.
Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:27 pm
I agree, but sometimes, emotions run on text quicker then in person.
It is hard to express anything without being face to face thus causing a writing war on boards.
Sometimes, it is hard not to offend when trying to bring a point across.
What offends you, might not offend others.
It is hard to express anything without being face to face thus causing a writing war on boards.
Sometimes, it is hard not to offend when trying to bring a point across.
What offends you, might not offend others.
Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:39 pm
Paul Krumrei wrote:I agree, but sometimes, emotions run on text quicker then in person.
It is hard to express anything without being face to face thus causing a writing war on boards.
Sometimes, it is hard not to offend when trying to bring a point across.
What offends you, might not offend others.
Then best not to use terms such as "retarded" in order to describe a pollitical view. If I were to claim that all Christians are retarded, do you think posters on this board would like it? And yet somehow it is "acceptable" to use that language to describe me because I am a liberal...Methinks something stinks in Denmark...
Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:51 pm
April 8th 1913, the 17th amendment was ratified, changing the way we elected Senators. The Senate went from a body looking out for the individual state, to a body looking for reelection. Both sides of the isle went down hill from there. We live in a political world where Scotter Libby, may have lied about a non crime and is going to jail, and former President Clinton did the same and is walking free. Sandy Burger stole and destroyed secret documents from the Archives. He is still free. You and me we would be in jail.
I'm a bit put off, and I wonder what Washington is thinking now. He is seeing the worse case scenario laid out in his Farewell Address come to pass. We'd see Patton on trial for "war crimes".
I hate to say, but a government of the people by the people and for the people is disappearing from the earth to be replaced by a government of the Congress by the congress and for the congress. Its all about money and power. The power to put pork in the defense authorization bill. The power to push through an amnesty bill that 85% of the People disagree with.
In order to get this power, they have resorted to hate andgroup politics. Just as Marx did. I may not agree with many of you on this board, but I do not "hate " any of you.
As to using the BA or TBs for recuiting, the better the candidates we get the better to defend this country. We must remeber that. The are the point of the sword, a sword which once pulled from the scabbard is razor sharp and unstoppable by our enemies. We are the only ones who can dull the sword. We are the only ones to bring defeat from the jaws of victory. It is not noise pollution, it is the sound of freedom,. Let that freedom ring across the land.
God Bless every one who wears or has worn the colors of our country. My sincere thanks and respect to you all.
I'm a bit put off, and I wonder what Washington is thinking now. He is seeing the worse case scenario laid out in his Farewell Address come to pass. We'd see Patton on trial for "war crimes".
I hate to say, but a government of the people by the people and for the people is disappearing from the earth to be replaced by a government of the Congress by the congress and for the congress. Its all about money and power. The power to put pork in the defense authorization bill. The power to push through an amnesty bill that 85% of the People disagree with.
In order to get this power, they have resorted to hate andgroup politics. Just as Marx did. I may not agree with many of you on this board, but I do not "hate " any of you.
As to using the BA or TBs for recuiting, the better the candidates we get the better to defend this country. We must remeber that. The are the point of the sword, a sword which once pulled from the scabbard is razor sharp and unstoppable by our enemies. We are the only ones who can dull the sword. We are the only ones to bring defeat from the jaws of victory. It is not noise pollution, it is the sound of freedom,. Let that freedom ring across the land.
God Bless every one who wears or has worn the colors of our country. My sincere thanks and respect to you all.
Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:07 pm
OscarDeuce, I agree with most of what you have said. We are obviously on opposite sides of the fence, however, I think what we both want is America strong. And I believe we can get there without your calling me a commie homosephalus, or my calling you an inbred backwoods hillbilly.
It might give each of us a gleeful sense of satisfaction to belittle the other. But it divides us, when we should be dealing with issues using the best logic and devotion we can.
The people I really despise today are Americans who think it is okay to victimise other Americans for politics or religion or sexual preference. We should be using them with all the passion and force we can. And we can't do that by deriding and belittling them. We should be bringing them into the fold by showing respect and common decency.
That's been my point. We are at war. We should get over the sugar mentality that has developed in America or we're going to be eaten by barbarians, just as Rome did. And just as the Fledgling United States did under Washington.
It might give each of us a gleeful sense of satisfaction to belittle the other. But it divides us, when we should be dealing with issues using the best logic and devotion we can.
The people I really despise today are Americans who think it is okay to victimise other Americans for politics or religion or sexual preference. We should be using them with all the passion and force we can. And we can't do that by deriding and belittling them. We should be bringing them into the fold by showing respect and common decency.
That's been my point. We are at war. We should get over the sugar mentality that has developed in America or we're going to be eaten by barbarians, just as Rome did. And just as the Fledgling United States did under Washington.
Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:10 pm
I must admit, I don't post here often for fear of recrimination if my views fall to the left of center, but sometimes threads like this remind me how diverse the group of folks dedicated to preserving the memory and legacy of the men, women and aircraft that helped shape this great land of ours, and that really makes me mist up. We all have different views, but are connected through a respect for the past and an understanding of the importance of not just remembering, but keeping that history alive.
Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:23 pm
Every American has a duty and responsibility to get involved in the political system. You have a duty to vote! If you are too damned lazy to vote then as far as I am concerned your opinion doesn’t count. The truth is that MOST Americans DON’T vote! If you don’t like the guy vote him out of office. It isn’t the president. It isn’t the congress. It’s you and me and what we are willing to put up with. It is a refusal to take personal responsibility for the knuckleheads we vote into office. It’s voting the party line. It’s voting the union line. It’s voting they way others tell you to vote that is wrong. Make up your own mind. Don’t let others do it for you. If you vote, vote responsibly. Read the propositions. Check out the candidates. End of sermon.
Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:42 am
From today’s ICAS FastFacts email:
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BLUES AVOID SAN FRANCISCO BAN
As part of a political stunt that was more public relations spectacle than legislative exercise, a committee of the San Francisco City Council voted to table a measure that would have banned the U.S. Navy Blue Angels from performing in San Francisco.
A single city supervisor had sponsored the measure because he maintained the team presented a safety risk. The Blue Angels have never been involved in an accident that involved spectators. And it has been more than 55 years since a spectator at a North American air show was involved in a fatal accident involving any performing aircraft.
"Although it's unfortunate that a lone legislator would target a military jet team in this manner, the bottom line is that reason prevailed," said ICAS President John Cudahy. "We can't control every city official out there, but it's encouraging that there was so little support for this measure."
Supporters of the show said passage of the measure would be an insult to service members. San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom publicly supported the team's performance in San Francisco. After identifying the proposal as ill-conceived and not supported by factual information, the city's Government Audit and Oversight Committee voted to indefinitely table the measure.
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