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Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:07 am

Gary,

There is nothing boring about getting to watch someone chase a dream for real.

Lots of us just get to watch from the sidelines.


The more you are willing to share the better :)

Dan

Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:30 pm

Dan, thank you for the kind words. I feel very fortunate and blessed to be a part of N5478C...My family knows my passion, and that a dream has come to life for me, I am fortunate to have them to share this with....We have named her "ANNIE" short for HarPoonAnnie....hope the play on words dosen't offend, but thats the way it is...
I too have sat on the sidelines for so very long, and I am still having a hard time realising that I am an actual custodian of a historic aircraft! Even though Annie is basically a lingering hulk, she is beautiful to me.
So here's my policy...no sideliners.....if you want to look, come on over and get a closer look. If you want to crawl inside Annie, come on over and get your jeans dirty. If you want to turn a wrench on her, come on over, I bet between the two of us we can find bolts that need turnin'.
All are welcome in my world, make yourself at home.
bdk......Son, you nailed that one down!!! As you can plainly see I was "snow blind" when I was checking her out....After spring thaw I noticed that something was amiss!

Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:05 pm

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:07 pm

Flying Papa's plane to Hawaii
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:18 pm

Lookheed and their Fowler Flaps.
I spent many hours rigging a couple of P-38's. Lots of things that move. Lockheed didn't seem to understand simple.
Rich

Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:22 pm

Will she be a flyer? I love the PV-2!

Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:26 pm

Rich, I do believe that those ARE honest to goodness barn doors. So far I have only the port side flap cables disconnected...lots of photographing and schetching to remember how they go back!! I assume the P-38's cable system is pretty much the same...

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:41 am

GARY HILTON wrote:bdk......Son, you nailed that one down!!! As you can plainly see I was "snow blind" when I was checking her out....After spring thaw I noticed that something was amiss!
We all have our windmills to chase, eh? In the end ye shall be rewarded! :D Thanks for keeping Annie out of the heat of the torch.

Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:22 am

Gary,

You don't have to actually number the photos. That was just my example of how to lay them out.

Looks like a great project, I wish I was closer so I could come by and help.

Keep the photos coming, and keep us informed.

Happy Holidays

Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:34 am

Gary,
I hope you don't mind me 'borrowing' part of one of yr images to make use for a Holiday Greeting e-Card:
[img]http://www.ruudleeuw.com/aholidaycard.jpg[/img]
I hope it shows here, never posted a image...
If not: look at http://www.RuudLeeuw.com/tmp-photos-11.htm
Btw, where is "Annie" now, still at Buffalo?
Where will it go to? Maybe I'll be travelling to the US again next year and though I am never short of 'destinations' I keep an open mind to add more...
Happy Holidays everybody
Rudi

Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:08 am

Bore us with pictures ???? :shock:

You are kidding, right ? We are all junkies here ! Bring them on... :wink:

And thanks for sharing

Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:04 pm

GARY HILTON wrote:Rich, I do believe that those ARE honest to goodness barn doors. So far I have only the port side flap cables disconnected...lots of photographing and schetching to remember how they go back!! I assume the P-38's cable system is pretty much the same...

Similar concept but a few differences in operation.
I haven't worked on a P-38 since mid 90's so I'm on memory mode.
38 had 4 flap sections. On each flap section were 2 trucks with rollers that rode in slots on a long machined alum forging attached to ribs located on the inboard and outboard side of each flap area. This provided the travel for extension and droop or angle of each flap section.
As the flap deployed it added area to the wing as well as camber to the airfoil.
Attached to each truck are 2 cables. One pulls the truck aft (flaps down) and the other pull the truck forward (flaps up). After traveling around several pulleys the cable is attached to a steel tube. Remember each flap section has 2 trucks so each flap section has 4 cables. All the flaps combined have 16 cables.
The steel tube contains 3 sections that are connected to each other to make a tube that reaches from near the center of the wing out to near the ailerons. On the inboard end is a nut with triple acme style threads. Not one set of threads but 3 sets of threads cut into the nut. The nut has an acme type shaft with matching triple threads. This is connected to a transmission through a constant velocity universal (like on you front wheel drive car). The transmission is run by a hyd. motor with a shut off valve geared to it.
Oh yea, the threaded acme set up is R/H threads on one side and L/H threads on the other.
The big picture is that as the transmission turns both tube assy. will travel outboard or inboard. This in turn pulls cables to pull the flaps down or up depending on the direction of travel of the tubes.
Like I said- Lockheed simplicity.
Also the flap handle is on the R/H side of the cockpit which means a pilot has to let go of the throttles, grab the wheel and then use the other hand to adjust the flaps. The flap handle also uses cables to connect to the actual hyd valve which is under the cockpit floor under the R/H side of the pilot seat.
No questions- good.
Rich

Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:33 am

Rudi,
You are more than welcome to use the photo. Annie is still in Buffalo, Wyoming...It will be a long process to get her moved to Lone Jack, Missouri, some 930+ miles away. I usually only get to Buffalo only once a month, and average 1.5 days to work on her...I am having to ground transport her, so I have encountered a few problems like how wide the airframe centersection is, and what you can legally move across the country, on a limited budget! At 20 Feet wide, that does create some issues. I could separate the centersection from the fuselage, but I risk destroying the integrety of the airframe.....Happy Holidays..Gary

Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:41 am

Gary thanks for posting the pictures. I've been looking forward to them since you first mentioned that you were buying "Annie".

She looks awsome. Have fun! and keep the pictures coming 8)

Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:54 pm

Would it be easier to remove the nose and tail sections and transport the plane on the truck bed turned 90 deg. (after removing the outer wing sections). This would allow some "tilt" to the aircraft as it is loaded on the trailer 90 degrees to how they transport an AT-11 center section.
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