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Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:02 pm

The Fairchild EC-82A had the tracked gear waaaay before the 36. In fact it was then tested on a B-29 I believe.

http://books.google.com/books?id=XMpdOe ... #PPA306,M1

This link shows the tracks going waaaay back .....
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Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:02 pm

bdk wrote:My uneducated guess is the B-19.


That would be my vote.

Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:45 am

mustangdriver wrote:
bdk wrote:My uneducated guess is the B-19.


That would be my vote.

So far...We've focused on tallest tire, but remember the question was, "what was the biggest"?
I'm pretty sure the XB-36/XC-99 will beat the B-19 in the "biggest" department. They have vastly
different take-off weights, so the tire requirements imply the '36 family will win the day.

I've seen a few photos of the XB-19 tire and wheel assembly which is in the NMUSAF system...now at Hill
Aerospace Museum since 1993. Ball in your court Mustangdriver?
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:23 am

rwdfresno wrote:I always thought this was a pretty unique idea to try and distribute the B-36 gtound pressure. As far as I know it was the only Aircraft half-track. Anyone know of any others?

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From the Nation Museum of the USAF online archive.................

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Douglas A-20H-10-DO (TA-20H) in flight after the installation of an experimental tracked main landing gear. (U.S. Air Force photo)

Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:54 am

Again from the NMUSAF on-line archive.

I think the XB-36 has it over the B-19, compare the people in the 2 pics below to the tyres in each photo. (Assuming both photos have "average" sized people in them and one (or the other) was not taken at a little people convention. :wink: )

XB-19
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XB-36
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And for the side topic, XB-36 nosegear. (not a 1/2 track after all :wink: )

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The complete package..............

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It did fly................
Image

OOOPS, What are we gunna tell the General? :shock:
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Photo archives here.......................
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/photos ... 0&page=200[/b]

Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:49 am

Hairy!!! How ya' been you old scudder??? :D

Nice digging on the pics! Were these in your database, or did you bust some fast google?

About yer new icon pic..sigh.. Remember in Papillon when McQueen and Hoffman were in isolation and
every 6mos they let'm see light. How do I look??..Your looking a bit eccentric there buddy..Are you OK? :shock:

How's the Griffon Bronco project coming? :wink:

Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:26 am

I always thought this was a pretty unique idea to try and distribute the B-36 gtound pressure. As far as I know it was the only Aircraft half-track. Anyone know of any others?


Those are neat pics of the tracked LG. I came across this a while back.
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Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:38 am

airnutz wrote:
mustangdriver wrote:
bdk wrote:My uneducated guess is the B-19.


That would be my vote.

So far...We've focused on tallest tire, but remember the question was, "what was the biggest"?
I'm pretty sure the XB-36/XC-99 will beat the B-19 in the "biggest" department. They have vastly
different take-off weights, so the tire requirements imply the '36 family will win the day.

I've seen a few photos of the XB-19 tire and wheel assembly which is in the NMUSAF system...now at Hill
Aerospace Museum since 1993. Ball in your court Mustangdriver?


XB-19 tire is on display in the Early Years Gallery at the NMUSAF. I wonder if they have more than one. It looks like the XB-36 tire is bigger. I will say that laying on it's side that the XB-19 tire looks bigger for some reason.

Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:14 am

On a much smaller scale, tracked undercarriage was fitted to an Auster in 1951. There was a pic on the Flypast Forum but it's gone now.

Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:59 am

CAPFlyer wrote:This tire restricted the YB-36 and XC-99 to operations from 3 runways in the United States - Carswell AFB (where it was built), Fairfield-Suisun (now Travis AFB), and Eglin AFB due to the weight loading on the concrete runways.


The XC99 flew in and out of Kelly AFB. I used to go in it when I was a kid. I still remember being at an airshow where they were giving tours through it. I think it was grounded by then.

Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:18 pm

Tim Landers wrote:Those are neat pics of the tracked LG. I came across this a while back.
I wonder if those still rotated 90 degrees when they retracted? Any idea if it ever flew? MAybe they just left the gear down.

Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:04 pm

I couldn't tell ya bdk, wasn't sure if it was photoshopped or not untill I saw this thread, very interesting subject
Tim

Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:03 pm

hairy wrote:Again from the NMUSAF on-line archive.

I think the XB-36 has it over the B-19, compare the people in the 2 pics below to the tyres in each photo. (Assuming both photos have "average" sized people in them and one (or the other) was not taken at a little people convention. :wink: )

XB-19
Image
XB-36
Image

And for the side topic, XB-36 nosegear. (not a 1/2 track after all :wink: )

Image

The complete package..............

Image

It did fly................
Image

OOOPS, What are we gunna tell the General? :shock:
Image

Photo archives here.......................
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/photos ... 0&page=200[/b]


Wow! Is it me? I can't fathom how that belt would react landing on a runway. :shock: Were these designs meant for grass landings only? I would hate to blow a belt! :wink:

Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:33 pm

That tracked gear had to be a real beauty for the mechanics, can you imagine getting the assignment to pack wheel bearings on them!!

The tracked gear on the '36 was extremely noisy from what I've read, with lots of screeching and such to announce departures and arrivals.

The main tire for the early B-36 is larger than the XB-19, but I don't know by how much. The primary reason for the single tire gear on the X and YB-36 (and XC-99) was because of braking requirements. It took Bendix a bit of research to come up with new brake technology that would stop the monster and still work with the 56" tire and wheel assembly.

Scott

Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:52 am

airnutz wrote:Hairy!!! How ya' been you old scudder??? :D

The fuzzy one has been lurking, it's been a bit hectic with a new job etc. Also being doing some research on a photo collection that I managed to get my hands on, 3000+ prints and approx. 2500 negs all pre 1953(ish). 8)
Once I get my hands on a decent scanner that will do them justice I might make the odd post. :wink:

airnutz wrote:Nice digging on the pics! Were these in your database, or did you bust some fast google?

You flatter me unjustly, I just went to the NMUSAF photo archive and searched XB-36 and B-19, believe me its worth checking out, its the best source for desktop pics. Hears the link again..............
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/photos ... 530&page=1

airnutz wrote:About yer new icon pic..sigh.. Remember in Papillon when McQueen and Hoffman were in isolation and
every 6mos they let'm see light. How do I look??..Your looking a bit eccentric there buddy..Are you OK? :shock:

*SIGH* Oh to be that good looking, but alas I am undone, for said comely visage is not aforementioned hairsuite one but the noble Sir Bubbles of the Trailer Park, vanquisher of the SAMSQUANCH and protector of the fiefdom of Canadia. :D

airnutz wrote:How's the Griffon Bronco project coming? :wink:


I was thinking possibly about the Jet class, how does an A-10 airframe with a pair of RR Trents sound. :wink:
(someone talented really should produce a graphic of the above idea, I'm just an "ideas" guy. :shock: )
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