GAS PRICES. How will it affect you?

[Mudge]

Bela...the little snipe at Bush was totally uncalled for and if you knew anything about economics, you'd know it was incorrect.

Mudge the economist

[EDowning]

How will the fuel prices affect me? I will spend 30 to 40% more to fly the same hours. That's all. It sucks, but that's it. I'll just do what I always do, work more hours and make up the difference. That's how I got the warbirds to start with.

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[Planebeach]

Well I hope the bubble will burst very soon, both 100LL and gas for cars have gone up a lot here in Norway. Right now we pay $10- $11 pr gallon of unleaded for our cars. And the goverment will increase the tax on fuel soon so it will go up $1 or $2 more

[visaliaaviation]

Hey, this is getting way too political. I say the entire thread needs to be pulled! LOL
Seriosly, it was hardly a snipe worth mentioning, Mudge. SNJ could be a McCain man!

[n5151ts]

it could give a shot in the arm to GA or at least the light sport stuff. Of course I'm stupid enough to still be thinking about an L-29 or L-39 so it wont help me much till they perfect bio fuels

[n5151ts]

Well I hope the bubble will burst very soon, both 100LL and gas for cars have gone up a lot here in Norway. Right now we pay $10- $11 pr gallon of unleaded for our cars. And the goverment will increase the tax on fuel soon so it will go up $1 or $2 more

[RickH]

This looks very interesting. Different than turning biomass into alcohol or biodiesel. First saw this on Aero News.

http://www.swiftenterprises.com:80/

Swift Enterprises Introduces Synthetic Hydrocarbon General Aviation Fuel from Biomass
9 May 2008
Swift Enterprises Ltd. has unveiled a new patented synthetic hydrocarbon general aviation fuel—SwiftFuel—that is produced from biomass.

SwiftFuel meets or exceeds the standards for aviation fuel as verified by nationally recognized laboratories, said co-founder John Rusek, a professor in Purdue University’s School of Astronautics and Aeronautics Engineering and research director for Swift. Rusek said the fuel can provide an effective range (distance between refueling) greater than petroleum while its projected cost is half that of the current petroleum manufacturing cost.



SwiftFuel is produced from a variety of input streams and processes. Swift, which is sensitive about discussing the exact procedure, starts with biomass, extracts appropriate oxygenates, converts them to aliphatic and aromatic compounds (all pure hydrocarbons) and then mixes them. The end product is a non-food biomass-derived drop-in fuel consisting of synthetic hydrocarbons, said Jon Ziulkowski, Swift’s Principal Investigator for aviation fuels.

The general aviation industry includes all flights other than military and scheduled airline flights, both private and commercial. Data on Swift Enterprises’ synthetic renewable general aviation fuel was presented 28 April at an annual meeting of an international committee that oversees aviation fuel standards.

The aviation industry has been the only form of transportation to use leaded fuel (tetraethyl lead) since an Environmental Protection Agency ban went into effect 30 years ago. The current fuel used in piston-fired aircraft is 100 Low Lead (100LL); the lead brings the octane number in the fuel to 100. The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due to the lead, but have instituted a moratorium on this ban until 2010. The general aviation industry each year uses nearly 570 million gallons of 100LL aviation fuel.

SwiftFuel is 15-20% more fuel efficient; has no sulfur emissions; requires no stabilizers; has a 30-degree lower freezing point; introduces no new carbon emissions; and is lead-free. In addition the components of this fuel can be formulated into a replacement for jet/turbine fuels.

Our fuel should not be confused with first-generation bio-fuels like E-85, which don't compete well right now with petroleum. For general aviation aircraft, range is paramount. Not only can our fuel seamlessly replace the aviation industry’s standard petroleum fuel, it can outperform it.

—John Rusek
Swift Enterprises officials are in discussions with the Federal Aviation Administration, which has initiated a cooperative agreement with the company to evaluate the fuel.

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[snj-5]

Bela...the little snipe at Bush was totally uncalled for and if you knew anything about economics, you'd know it was incorrect.

Mudge the economist

Totally uncalled for? Who's version of economics are we calling
good right now? Last time I checked, I could still express my
views / opinions in the good ole' USA whenever and wherever I
wanted to.

Anyway, I'm not a McCain man, nor an Obama man, nor a
Clinton man, nor a Bush man.

In my opinion, it doesn't really matter who we vote for
(they're all crooks!)

Bela P. Havasreti

[Mudge]

I'm not denying you your right to express an opinion. HOWEVER, try expressing an opinion on this forum, about ANYTHING, that someone feels is flawed and, I guarantee, you'll hear about it.
I simply felt/feel that your opinion that the "White House" is responsible for high gas prices is flawed. If you're gonna' blame anyone, blame the oil speculators.

Mudge the blameless

[Eric Friedebach]

Some airshows have expressed the thought that they may see increased attendance due to the fact that a lot of families will be spending their recreational dollars closer to home this summer because of high fuel costs.

I don’t think that this means the purse strings will be loosened for appearance fees or fuel budgets though.

[engguy]

The ones to worry about are the ones that support the enviro nut case stuff. They are the ones responsible for the high prices. And the low mileage engines and the soon to be gone leaded av gas.
I'd like to know when they make all body shops use water paint for painting our cars, will Boeing be using that on their aircraft?

[TAdan]

This may sound silly... but here me out. I chose to go for a ride on the YAM's B-17 Yankee Lady in Reading, PA because I figured I better do it now...before oil/gas prices climb even higher and the price for a ride goes up. I think it made perfect sense.

Personally I have cut back on my driving. I dont visit as many cruise-night/carshows as I used too. I've also skipped two airshows this year because I didnt want to use the gas.