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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:41 am 
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Having looked at both photos shown in original post from Jack, the first cannot be identified as either a B or C model, the second is a P-40B (nil provisions for under fuselage tank).

All photos I have ever seen of P-40C aircraft sans Belly Tank the sway braces are still in situ (mind you pictures of C models are hard to find so I won't say I've seen them all) and you would expect at the angle the photo of 337 was taken then you should at least see part of the rear sway braces. However seeing you cannot discount the possibility of the aircraft having had the undercarriage collapse, thus the sway braces having been damaged and removed, it is difficult to say that this is a P-40B (which is the type, in my experience, I would lean towards).

I believe that the reason the aircraft has been called a P-40C is because of the assumed tie up between serial number and side code (Buzz number) that has been advocated over the years.

As has been pointed out in other posts in this topic, the main external differences between the two types is the ability of the P-40C to carry the belly tank

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While we're on a roll here ...

Has the buzz number for John Dains' P-40 ever been determined?

Was Ken Taylor flying buzz number 155 or 316? I've seen both used.

The book "East Wind Rain" states there were 87 P-40Bs and 12 P-40Cs on strength with the Hawaiian Air Force on December 7. Is that number still considered correct?

The more I read on this subject, the more fascinating it gets.

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Just for nitpicking purposes, but perhaps someone here (like I did) will learn something new:

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In the years immediately following World War 2, many USAAF/USAF aircraft used markings that would make it possible to identify low-flying aircraft from the ground. This was intended to discourage the unsafe practice of pilots of high-performance aircraft making low passes (colloquially known as "buzzing") over ground points. Consequently, these numbers came to be known as buzz numbers.

The system used two letters and three numbers, painted as large as practically feasible on each side of the fuselage and on the underside of the left wing. The two letter code identified the type and model of the aircraft, and the three digits consisted of the last three numbers of the serial number. For example, all fighters were identified by the letter P (later changed to F), and the second letter identified the fighter type. For example, the buzz number code for the F-86 Sabre was FU, for the F-100 Super Sabre it was FW. The buzz number for F-100A 53-1551 was FW-551, the buzz number for F-86D 53-1020 was FU-020.

On occasion, two planes of the same type and model would have the same last three digits in their serial numbers. When this happened, the two aircraft were distinguished by adding the suffix letter A to the buzz number of the later aircraft, preceded by a dash.

The system was in wide use throughout the 1950s, but was gradually phased out during the 1960s. The last use of buzz numbers was in 1971.




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Has the buzz number for John Dains' P-40 ever been determined? Alas, no...he changed planes and no one noted the P-40 in which he flew.

Was Ken Taylor flying buzz number 155 or 316? I've seen both used. The 155 is correct...316 is the final digits of ONE of the serial numbers known to have flown on 7 Dec...and we have learned SINCE Dec 1991 about the BUZZ number vs serials!

The book "East Wind Rain" states there were 87 P-40Bs and 12 P-40Cs on strength with the Hawaiian Air Force on December 7. Is that number still considered correct? AFAIK, that is still correct.

As to the post war BUZZ numbers, the BUZZ numbers which came into use at Wheeler Field in the first weeks of August 1941 were totally different, evidently issued by 18PG and 15PG squadrons in a numerical series--but what numbers and which units?


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