Name change for Naval Historical Center

ltdann · **Posted:** Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:02 pm

By the way, one of the things that the new command will do is have a secton for commemorations and such. Two events coming soon that will get recognition are the Centennial of Naval Aviation (CoNA) and the 200th Anniversary of the War of 1812.

As far as CoNA is concerned, I am working on that effort for the Commander, Naval Air Forces, who is the guy who has been placed in charge of executing CoNA. Look for 2011 to be pretty exciting.
The folks at the Navy Yard are part of this as well.

Will anybody be at ICAS next week?

Rich

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:03 pm

Well, as I said, I've been hearing the same thing. I've had some contact recently with the 'ole Col. about some L-bird stuff and had heard several things about this during that time. So, this is a response from him...

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So, I guess the cat is sort of out of the bag. I won't get into all of the detail since I've promised to let the Navy get the PR they need. But with that said, I would like you to post the following from me and make sure that folks understand its from me.

So yea folks, as some of us have been saying all along that there were changes come to NHC but like all things it takes time. May I suggest that all of you who have been slamming the NHC over the past few weeks drop it, and this is coming from the guy who has been the most vocal person on the whole NHC, just search the data base and read the stuff from 2004-05.

The new Adm. in charge is Rear Adm Jay DeLoach. Below is a link to information about his background. Please note his work on the search for the USS Alligator. This alone makes him alright in my book. Some of the stuff that will be coming down the pipe on recoveries will be good news but I must remind everyone we aren't going to get everything. I'd rather be happy, with the knowledge that aircraft that are close to being totally lost will have a chance to be recovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_A._DeLoach

So, as Owen has said, give the guy a chance he is the best hope we have right now to get the stupid law(s) that Barbra and Wendy got in place while they were there. The best thing we can do at this time is to support and help the NHC and the folks down in Pensacola, I know that is what I plan on doing, and I'm asking the rest of you to do the same.

So, as you now know, I was not passing on an unsubstantiated rumor.

Ryan

JDK · **Posted:** Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:32 pm

RyanShort1 wrote:

JDK wrote:

Owen Miller wrote:

2. There is NEW LEADERSHIP in place...

That's great. Maybe they want to do a bit more PR about that - not just through the inestimable Classic Wings and rumour control on WIX.

Always a good journalist... and good for you on that - Seriously.

The cheque for the compliment is in the post.

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In reality, I doubt they see a necessity for any PR. I reckon the folks they really need to convince are likely already well aware of the situation and working on things.

Interesting point of view. Is the US Navy an adjunct of the US state for the people of the US? Not just the 'folks needing convincing' - not that I'm sure what group that would be, either. There will be others who aren't interested in dealing with the NHC given the track record. A change can mean getting those on board, for everyone's benefit. But they need to tell folks, and again, not through rumour, or hints, however well informed, on WIX.

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I mean, honestly, who on WIX would most benefit from this kind of news that wouldn't be in direct contact with them if they were already seriously interested?
There've been indications on a few different threads that some folks here have known this for a while.

Sure - not all of us like to 'hint'; some of us keep our confidences. And as Dave's indicated, it's good column inches, for those covering the story. If the new command want publicity, however, they need to handle it, not let others do so for them.

As a journalist, I can find out what I need to know and publish (and maybe I'm just not sharing early.) As a WIX member I'd rather hear something from the source, not second / third hand information through people who, on their own account, haven't had a good word to say before about the NHC.

If the new directorate want their general publicity directed by Rob Rhor...

Just a comment.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:36 pm

The NMNA has a lot of good and hard working people there. They get alot of crap, even more so than the NMUSAF. So I hope that things work out. I want to see a Devastator and a Helldiver on display at Pensacola, to honor the men that flew and fought in them. I want to see some of these warbirds get out of the water. Whether they ever fly or not doesn't matter, let's start with preserving them. I am in full support of the new leadership.

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:54 pm

More fun clarifying - as usual!

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Interesting point of view. Is the US Navy an adjunct of the US state for the people of the US? Not just the 'folks needing convincing' - not that I'm sure what group that would be, either. There will be others who aren't interested in dealing with the NHC given the track record. A change can mean getting those on board, for everyone's benefit. But they need to tell folks, and again, not through rumour, or hints, however well informed, on WIX.

Well, I agree in general, but I was commenting on the PR remark. PR implies you are trying to convince someone of a product, service, etc... and personally, I'm not sure how they would accomplish that if they were interested. What I was getting at was who would be their target audience, what kind of PR would make sense from their standpoint and for their purposes, etc...

Some of the rumors, hints, etc... seem to be:
1. From folks who MAY be involved
2. From those of us who have heard things and are very excited to see what appears to be a positive change

As regards number 2 - I suspect that this may not ultimately be the most desirable thing, and maybe they are planning to give out more information but are getting beat to the punch, but a positive buzz should be too negative of a thing, either.

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Sure - not all of us like to 'hint'; some of us keep our confidences. And as Dave's indicated, it's good column inches, for those covering the story. If the new command want publicity, however, they need to handle it, not let others do so for them.

As a journalist, I can find out what I need to know and publish (and maybe I'm just not sharing early.) As a WIX member I'd rather hear something from the source, not second / third hand information through people who, on their own account, haven't had a good word to say before about the NHC.

Fair enough. :wink:

Ryan

JDK · **Posted:** Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:06 am

Thanks Ryan. OK, we have different interpretations of 'PR'. What I mean is any business has to manage what it says and how about itself to others - better you tell your story than someone else do it for you.

Any organisation needs to look after its own PR; some organisations need to work hard to convince people of stuff.

Oh, and I second Mustangdriver's comment, as well as the general sentiment.

Cheers,

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11330

F3A-1 wrote:

I look forward to the working with the new director and the Naval History and Heritage Command. I have a few projects that I would like to promote.

One might hope that the name change accompanying the leadership change was to indicate that there was a new direction or "mission statement" forthcoming. A restaurant under new ownership won't have any better food if they retain the old cook after all!

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

Owen Miller wrote:

1. Quit poking fun at these folks.

2. There is NEW LEADERSHIP in place and they have different
opinions about many things.

3. Things are changing as regards recoveries.

4. There "is a new sherriff in town". His heart is in the right
place. The folks in the archaeological section that created
SO many probllems are GONE.

5. Get off these folks back. Give them a chance.

In my opinion the warbird community won't get everything it wants,
but things will be a lot better than over the last several years. The
new skipper BELIEVES in history and heritage. He BELIEVES in
teaching sailors and the public about those who came before; about
standing on the shoulders of giants to preserve freedom.

I understand why there has been a negative connotation of the NHC
for the last few years. I truely believe things are headed in the right
direction. Give the new leadership team a chance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most sincerely,
Owen Miller

My jabs at the NHC were strictly related to the old guard. The news that there "is a new sheriff in town" is something that I had not heard. For such groundbreaking information, the Navy sure has been quiet about it!

This is HUGE news and an earthshattering revelation.

Because of this, I will not say anything negative about the new leadership unless it really doesn't change. Actions speak louder than words. If there truly is change, then I will be very happy and more than willing to support the new Command and the Navy.

In reference to the above, "In my opinion the warbird community won't get everything it wants", I really don't care if the warbird community gets ANY warbirds out of the new policies. I just want them preserved, even if all of them are static and at Pensacola or other accredited museums. I don't believe anyone on this forum would really pitch a fit knowing the world's only Devastator could be on public display staticly and not flying (except for N5151ts, a.k.a. jet1!)

If the new Navy Heritage and History Command will really preserve and promote history and not let it disintegrate at the bottom of the ocean, then I will give them my respect and admiration.

See, if this info was put out more into the mainstream, then you wouldn't have people still bashing the NHC. I had no idea that things had changed.

So, let's all support the new Command and Leadership. Hopefully they can work WITH the warbird community and have a symbiotic relationship in which both can benefit!

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

So, IMO, PRIORITY #1 for the new command in which they could VERY quickly establish their credibility and veracity is to recover and restore one of the Devastators at the bottom of the ocean.

Does anyone close to the new camp know if they intend on doing this anytime soon?

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:36 am

warbird1 wrote:

So, IMO, PRIORITY #1 for the new command in which they could VERY quickly establish their credibility and veracity is to recover and restore one of the Devastators at the bottom of the ocean.

Does anyone close to the new camp know if they intend on doing this anytime soon?

If the Col. is correct, and I know that there are varying opinions on that, then yes, it is likely.

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As for the news about the leadership change, well it was posted on WIX: http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hlight=nhc

The NHC is just another part of the Navy Dept. so when it has a change of command it is not national news. When the new Adm. came on board there was a blurb in the Washington Post and even a samll thing on CNN, but this isn't like the Sec. of the Navy changing.

As for the new name change, I think it is all part of the upcoming news.
You have to understand this very important item. Because of the law that
Wendy and Barbara got passed, even the the folks at NHC and Pensacola have had their hands tied on how and what they could recover. This issue effects not only aircraft but other Naval items as well. One of the things that I can let out is that they have been working to get around the law and are trying to have it complete removed from the books. 'Till then its going to be a tough process to have stuff recovered.

But one thing I do know is that they want to go back to Lake Michigan and I would also look for at least one TBD to be recovered if possible.

For anyone interested in a recovery project, if you want to work with them on then I suggest you contact Buddy Macon down at Pensacola. Owen Miller or I can give you his telp.# if you want to talk to him.

So maybe we will see a TBD eventually.

Ryan

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