Pearl Harbor B-17s...

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

Wheeler...Sun was in the southeast part of the sky, Wind was from the east. Takeoff into the wind. Sanders OD P-36 was first, his NMF wingman Rasmussen, then element leader NMF Thacker ...and far behind was tail end NMF Sterling.

Just before the bounce of the five unknown aircraft, Sanders saw the tail end was Sterling and changed formation to have Thacker as element leader, Rasmussen on Thacker's wing, and Sterling as his own wingman.

Check out the text at: http://www.flightjournal.com/ME2/dirmod ... DF526DDD7E

Holedigger · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:31 am

Ah! Thanks David, I had not come across that article yet, though much of it's content I have already collected. Once I get into the thick of things, I'll start a new thread (sorry-don't mean to hijack) Looks like that 36 is in OD Green, hadn't seen that pic yet. Still thinking of what to do with a 17 though, heck of a way to go to war, out of gas and nothing to shoot back with!

Chris
aka Holedigger

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

Sanders was the first of my main sources to pass away...then Thacker...then Lawrence...then Sterling's Fiance'...then Iyozo Fujita and finally Rasmussen. All gone west. sigh...a long sigh...

Holedigger · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:46 am

The years are taking our vets from us at a very quick rate now. I'm glad at least some of their memories has been preserved.

My Uncle, served under Patton in N Africa and Sicily. Flew a Cub...gone West

Another Uncle..Flew Hellcats, South Pacific....Gone West

My Grandfather...Didn't fly but helped build the AirBases around SanAntonio..Passed this summer

My old Boss, Flew Free Dutch P-40s, Cub, P-51...Gone West

Nathan · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:37 pm

Holedigger wrote:

That is what I am finding, pics and info on the P-36's somewhat scarce. I have pics of Rasmussen's AC , so it will probably be the main subject sprinting across the field, tail up, clawing for the air, past burning hangars, Peashooters, P-40s, people running filling the frame behind.

You could do your painting so that you would not be able to see the markings on the birds anyway. Have Rasmussen's plane as the main subject with the other P-36A's behind him. You wont be able to see markings if ur looking at a bird from head on.

As for the B-17's.....how about the one landing at the golf corse. Or the two B-17E's that landed at the very short field Haleiwa.

Cheers,
Nathan

Hellcat · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:55 pm

very nice thread guys .... keep this one going.

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

Nathan wrote:

As for the B-17's.....how about the one landing at the golf corse. Or the two B-17E's that landed at the very short field Haleiwa.

Cheers,
Nathan

Be wary of the "golf course"...most seem to 'mentally picture' a landing on some "green" of -perhaps- the 18th hole... HOWEVER, the asphalt runway was used often by the rich to land there in their light aircraft to play at the golf course.

Uniquely, one of the B-17s at Haleiwa was photographed by one of my witnesses.

So many storys, so little time. The latest "Hirano's Zero" is in AVIATION HISTORY, Jan 2009 issue and may already be sold out at your local book and mag store!

Cheers,
David

Nathan · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:29 pm

David_Aiken wrote:

Nathan wrote:

As for the B-17's.....how about the one landing at the golf corse. Or the two B-17E's that landed at the very short field Haleiwa.

Cheers,
Nathan

Be wary of the "golf course"...most seem to 'mentally picture' a landing on some "green" of -perhaps- the 18th hole... HOWEVER, the asphalt runway was used often by the rich to land there in their light aircraft to play at the golf course.

Uniquely, one of the B-17s at Haleiwa was photographed by one of my witnesses.

So many storys, so little time. The latest "Hirano's Zero" is in AVIATION HISTORY, Jan 2009 issue and may already be sold out at your local book and mag store!

Cheers,
David

Thanks David I forgot to mention that this "golf course" had a small runway. Sorry holedigger! :oops:

Nathan · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:32 pm

I would also like to see someone do a P-40C of Sam Bishop. He took off from Bellows and was off shore when he got shot down. He was WIA.

Nathan · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:33 pm

Nathan wrote:

I would also like to see someone do a P-40C of Sam Bishop. He took off from Bellows and was off shore when he got shot down. He was WIA.

No I am not curtain he was in a P-40C. Bellows roster of Dec 7th comprised both B and C models but seeing how the roster was a majority of C models its just a good chance one of the P-40s that got airborn was a C model. Thats my odd way of thinking. :mrgreen:

Nathan · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:29 pm

Hellcat · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:39 pm

What's the story on the Navy planes shot down? How many were actually shot down and who and how many killed?

Nathan · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:46 pm

VS-6 and VB-6 both flew into the fight with SBD-2/3's. A total of 18 aircraft. Some SBDs were shot down including Lt. Dickenson.

muddyboots · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:50 pm

Nathan wrote:

David_Aiken wrote:

Nathan wrote:

As for the B-17's.....how about the one landing at the golf corse. Or the two B-17E's that landed at the very short field Haleiwa.

Cheers,
Nathan

Be wary of the "golf course"...most seem to 'mentally picture' a landing on some "green" of -perhaps- the 18th hole... HOWEVER, the asphalt runway was used often by the rich to land there in their light aircraft to play at the golf course.

Uniquely, one of the B-17s at Haleiwa was photographed by one of my witnesses.

So many storys, so little time. The latest "Hirano's Zero" is in AVIATION HISTORY, Jan 2009 issue and may already be sold out at your local book and mag store!

Cheers,
David

Thanks David I forgot to mention that this "golf course" had a small runway. Sorry holedigger! :oops:

It would still be a great image to have a couple of golfers in teh foreground, and a big old Fort wobbling in behind them...If you could get a shot set up like that...Maybe you'd have to bend teh truth a little

Holedigger · **Posted:** Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:51 pm

Shot down by the Japanese or by friendly fire? :oops:

I believe one of the Patrolling PBY's found them and was shot down.

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