Experts
Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:17 pm
Maybe they'll get the guys who recovered the PBM to consult.
Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:19 pm
Blah blah blah. I don't believe anything they say anymore. 
Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:11 pm
-Insert Giant Crab joke here-
Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:39 pm
Sasnak wrote:With TBD's being so ultra-rare, it's a shame to leave the shallow airframe in place for scuba divers.
I find that prospect absolutely atrocious.
They're spending a heck of a lot of money just to haul resources out there, and back, to recover one aircraft. That's sunk money that's going to be spent, regardless of how many aircraft are going to be recovered.
And they're going after the more difficult (ok, that's a relative concept, given 50' vs 150') aircraft to bring up. It makes no sense that they wouldn't recover BOTH aircraft, because for something as ultra-rare as a TBD that'll provide much better return on the investment.
Unless ...
The "we're going to leave one behind for scuba divers" statement is a bluff to motivate other investor(s) (individual and/or institutional) to pony up additional money and support for the expedition.
?????
Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:36 pm
If you want a laugh watch the EAA timeless voice (?) video interview with
Richard Gillespie on their webpage
Insurance salesman to aviation archeology expert in one easy lesson
http://www.eaa.org/apps/timelessvoices/VoicesDetails.aspx?VoicesID=211
Richard Gillespie on their webpage
Insurance salesman to aviation archeology expert in one easy lesson
http://www.eaa.org/apps/timelessvoices/VoicesDetails.aspx?VoicesID=211
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Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:41 pm
Is it April 1st again?
Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:59 pm
i'm pretty cynical of tighar's operation. i won't be taking the news with a grain of salt...... more like a chunk of salt.
Re: ?????
Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:25 am
Jack Cook wrote:If you want a laugh watch the EAA timeless voice (?) video interview with
Richard Gillespie on their webpage
Insurance salesman to aviation archeology expert in one easy lesson
http://www.eaa.org/apps/timelessvoices/VoicesDetails.aspx?VoicesID=211
That took me only 2 minutes - watched the whole Steve Hinton video instead
Mark D
Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:50 am
warbird1 wrote:Have TIGHAR even gotten permission from the Island's government AND the NHC or whatever they are called today. The article doesn't even mention that.
More than likely..since 2006 the Navy and TIGHAR have been looking at the TBD's together.
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... ght=jaluit
Strange Days..I wonder what the Navy saw on the TIGHAR resume that spelled "success" to them?
Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:00 am
airnutz wrote:
Strange Days..I wonder what the Navy saw on the TIGHAR resume that spelled "success" to them?
Maybe, given their past history of supporting aircraft recovery, that's exactly why they gave TIGHAR the green light.
I can't believe y'll left that sitting there.
Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:04 am
I bet the late Bill Surgi is smiling today. Bill worked for years to get someone to recover a TBD. Bill---we miss you. 
Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:36 am
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Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:48 am
airnutz wrote:
Strange Days..I wonder what the Navy saw on the TIGHAR resume that spelled "success" to them?
Easy, Tell a lie often enough and it will be believed to be the truth...........
Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:28 pm
Sasnak wrote
NASM is planning to restore the Helldiver in the marking sof past-Director Don Engen. They would not be looking to trade it for something else, particularly an airplane that had to be totally rebuilt after 60 years of submersion in marine water.
As to TIGHAR's recovery, getting the TBD out of the water is the easy part. Nothing is said about what would then become of it. Who would restore it, where would it be displayed. A few days of exposure to atmospheric oxygen while deciding what to do next would do more damage to the airframe than 60 years of saltwater immersion. They are better off leaving it there than doing a bad job of the post-recovery.
Having kept up with TIGHAR since their "Midnight Ghost" project in Maine, the group has a jump-to-conclusions ethic that makes the creationists and conspiracy theorists seem respectable. Aircraft recovery should be left to professionals who have learned from much experience and more than a few mistakes. My guess is that TIGHAR will make all those mistakes at once, and then not even benefit from them.
As to having TIGHAR recover both airplanes while they are at it, let us see one get recovered successfully before they tackle the other.
Even better yet, they can restore both TBD's to perfect condition, keep one for themselves, and trade the NASM for the SB2C Helldiver, thus completing the WWII dive-bombers in the national collection (Pensacola)
NASM is planning to restore the Helldiver in the marking sof past-Director Don Engen. They would not be looking to trade it for something else, particularly an airplane that had to be totally rebuilt after 60 years of submersion in marine water.
As to TIGHAR's recovery, getting the TBD out of the water is the easy part. Nothing is said about what would then become of it. Who would restore it, where would it be displayed. A few days of exposure to atmospheric oxygen while deciding what to do next would do more damage to the airframe than 60 years of saltwater immersion. They are better off leaving it there than doing a bad job of the post-recovery.
Having kept up with TIGHAR since their "Midnight Ghost" project in Maine, the group has a jump-to-conclusions ethic that makes the creationists and conspiracy theorists seem respectable. Aircraft recovery should be left to professionals who have learned from much experience and more than a few mistakes. My guess is that TIGHAR will make all those mistakes at once, and then not even benefit from them.
As to having TIGHAR recover both airplanes while they are at it, let us see one get recovered successfully before they tackle the other.