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 Post subject: Re: Purple Heart Debate
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:31 am 
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Randy you can get a idea by
1. type of broach
2. serial number stamped on the medal
3. difference look of the medal
4. the issue boxes are completely different
current issue uses a climped broach while more vintage
awards used a slot or a wrapped broached.
older medals just looked nicer and better made.
http://www.purplehearts.net/index.html


Interesting.

A couple things of note after viewing the link:

Nearly all the medals displayed there feature an engraved name. Although I don't have a Purple Heart, I have been awarded a couple of combat-type medals, none of mine have any kind of engraving on them or other identifying features. A friend of mine has a Silver Star, and it wasn't engraved with anything when he received it, either.

Which medals have a serial number, and where would it be found?

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 Post subject: Re: Purple Heart Debate
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Only up to and including the WWII era medals had serial numberes.
Engraving is only done where the service member is POW, MIA or KIA
and the awards are issed to their family. You should take yours in
and have them angraved. Your kids will appreciate that at a later date :idea: :!: :P

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 Post subject: Re: Purple Heart Debate
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You should take yours in
and have them angraved. Your kids will appreciate that at a later date :idea: :!: :P


What's interesting is that each one seems to have it's own font style and wording.

Anyone know where there is a printed standard?

Anyone know what the "A.C." is for on the Air Medals? Is that for "Air Corps"?

I've been Googling a little bit on this topic since it came up, and it's interesting the different levels that historians have gone to in categorizing the medals and memorabilia.

The whole engraving thing is interesting...from engraved by some central DoD location, to engraved by the unit, to engraved by the individual or his family.

Bizarre!

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 Post subject: Re: Purple Heart Debate
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The total number of Purple Hearts produced for the war effort by the Treasury Dept's Bureau of the Mint and two commercial firms was 1,531,000 medals. Those interested in the late-war Purple Heart production can check out the December 2000 American Heritage: http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2000/8/2000_8_81.shtml.

This article brings the story forward to about a decade ago. Other articles related to the planned invasion of Japan can be found here: http://www.waszak.com/giangreco_bibliography.htm.

The most detailed account of the decision-making process and actual production of the medals is in chapter 16 of my H-e-l-l to Pay: Operation Downfall and the Invasion of Japan, 1945-1947, Naval Institute Press, 2009 [note: I’ve had to add dashes to the first word of the book’s title because the software used on this site was automatically converting it to “Heck to Pay”].

A letter responding to the American Heritage article is no longer available through their web page and is temporally down on the Waszak site. It is reproduced below.

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American Heritage Magazine - May 2001, Volume 52, Issue 3

CORRESPONDENCE
TOO MANY PURPLE HEARTS?

In "Half a Million Purple Hearts" (December 2000 / January 2001), the authors, D. M. Giangreco and Kathryn Moore, in effect refute their own thesis. They say the fact that the United States ordered 9,000 new Purple Hearts during the bombing of Kosovo "had nothing to do with imminent combat," that the medals "were ordered for the simplest of bureaucratic reasons": The United States "had to replenish its own inventory." I would simply emphasize that a half million Purple Hearts on hand when World War II ended does not prove that the military or President Truman believed that a half a million American lives would have been lost in an invasion of Japan. The military is notorious for ordering far more equipment than it needs.

Historians have demonstrated that the largest pre-Hiroshima estimates of casualties by military planners for the invasion of Japan (southern Kyushu, November 1945; northwestern Kyushu, highly unlikely; and Honshu, March 1946, probably unlikely) were 46,000 dead, 170,000 wounded, and 4,000 missing. Moreover, at a June 18, 1945, meeting at the White House, General Marshall informed President Truman, "There is reason to believe that the first 30 days in Kyushu should not exceed the price we paid in Luzon [31,000 casualties]."

Merrel Clubb
Missoula, Montana

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The authors reply: Mr. Clubb’s point that “the military is notorious for ordering far more equipment than it needs” is well taken, and everyone is familiar with the tales of waste and inefficiency. Documents held by the U.S. Army and National Archives, however, present a somewhat different picture for events surrounding the manufacture of Purple Hearts during World War II. Unlike bullets or tent pegs, the Purple Heart was a high-ticket item requiring the use of restricted wartime commodities, such as precious metals, and scarce, highly specialized workers. Increases in production could not be arranged in a cavalier or helter-skelter manner; indeed the large Purple Heart orders by the Navy in the spring of 1945 could not be met in time for the invasion of Japan, which was why they had to borrow medals from the Army.

The US Mint’s production was neither capricious or excessive, and the casualty estimates which drove it were based on ratios constructed from the increasingly heavy losses in manpower from the recent fighting. Truman’s Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson regularly used the rounded figure of 500,000 during briefings for casualties expected in Japan, and the Army planned to supply replacements for 720,000 “dead and evacuated wounded” during the campaign, a figure which does not include Navy and Marine casualties. To meet these demands, monthly Selective Service draft calls in 1945 were raised from 60,000 to 100,000 to feed a training infrastructure which peaked at 400,000 men in June 1945, long after the last shots were fired in Europe.

The documents cited by Mr. Clubb are frequently portrayed by critics of Truman as proof that the President invented large casualty estimates after the war in an effort to justify the use of nuclear weapons. The figures come from briefing papers prepared for the president ahead of his June 18, 1945, meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and service secretaries. What the critics uniformly overlook, however, is that the first set of figures (totaling some 220,000 battle casualties) were not presented to Truman because they were found to be flawed, and the 31,000 represents just the Army and only the initial 30-day period of a series of campaigns then expected to last until nearly 1947. The briefing paper statement that "the first 30 days in Kyushu should not exceed the price we paid in Luzon" refers to the cost in terms of a stated ratio of one American casualty for every five of the Japanese. The figure of 31,000 for the earlier, and much smaller, operation in the Philippines was presented in a chart as only a baseline number to establish a ratio that might be applicable to the fighting ahead.

The misrepresentation of these documents is widespread today, and presenting such numbers as all-encompassing final estimates for the much larger and longer operations in Japan necessitates a spurious methodology. In effect, it is as if someone during World War II came across a casualty estimate for the invasion of Sicily and then declared that the number from this opening operation would represent the total number of casualties from the entire Italian campaign---and then went on to announced with complete confidence that the original number actually represented likely casualties for the balance of the war with Germany. Of course, back then, such a notion would be dismissed as being absurd; today, speculative scholars doing much the same thing, win the plaudits of their peers and affect the decisions of major institutions.

D. M. Giangreco and Kathryn Moore
Fort Leavenworth, Kansas



I hope that this has been of some help.


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 Post subject: Re: Purple Heart Debate
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FYI. Medals issued in Australia are edge engraved with the service number and name of the recipient. Any replacement medals are not engraved.


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