Jones Beach Airshow

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Sat May 28, 2011 10:31 pm

Pat M wrote:

What's the story with FIFI's "hard landing" at Republic that Newsday was reporting? Any damage to the aircraft?

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/rapt ... -1.2903514

It appears that this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqXlS0gPSw is the landing that they referred to. It looks to me like it was a little on the slow / high AoA side, but it doesn't look excessively bad at least to me. Who knows, maybe the pilots were trying to do a short-field landing.

Ryan

cwmc · **Joined:** Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:43 am **Posts:** 322

Looks like a pretty solid tail strike. Collapsed the tail skid, should take a bit of an inspection I'd think.
Chris...

redvanner · **Posted:** Sun May 29, 2011 4:49 am

I watched that video several times, and the landing does not seem that bad to me. Anyway, isnt´t exactly that why a tailskid was fitted in the first place by the designers? At least based on the video I´d say those B 29´s must have seen much harder landings when in service. Just my opinion, those who have seen it in real might disagree, but it´s different seeing the real thing and a video.

Michael

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Sun May 29, 2011 7:50 am

Bluehawk15 pointed out to me offsite that the flaps are at the lower setting, which requires a higher AoA... If you look at the other video of the B-29 landing by the same You-tuber - the flaps are at the higher setting.

Ryan

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Sun May 29, 2011 8:49 am

It looks like they were behind the power curve and didn't catch it with power before the Naval arrival...... :shock:

Invader26 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:56 am **Posts:** 843

Quote:

maybe the pilots were trying to do a short-field landing.

Not sure you'd try a short field landing basically flapless. Looks like they had a flap problem!!. I'm not sure but it looks like flaps are in take-off position. That'll water your eyes into a relatively short strip as you can see. Tailstrike and all....

krlang · **Posted:** Sun May 29, 2011 12:02 pm

I would assume the tail skid is for protection on takeoff, not aux landing gear.
That was not a good thing to see, I am no pilot, but it looked pretty scary to me.

Hopefully there is no damage.

flyingsailor · **Posted:** Sun May 29, 2011 12:55 pm

We did strike the tail on landing on Thursday. We have performed the necessary inspection and returned the aircraft to flying status. FAA also examined and were satisfied. there is no safety concerns. Please keep speculation to a minimum to cause. Thank you and fly safe .

Chris
CAF B-29B-24 Squadron

Invader26 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:56 am **Posts:** 843

Any reason for the lack of flaps..?

flyingsailor · **Posted:** Sun May 29, 2011 10:41 pm

Invader26 wrote:

Any reason for the lack of flaps..?

I was not onboard the aircraft, so I do not know the scenerio. The squadron and the CAF ops people are awaiting full reports and debriefs. Trust me we will learn from this and move forward.

Chris Trobridge
CAF B-29/B-24 Squadron

Invader26 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:56 am **Posts:** 843

http://youtu.be/pBU0f8r4FJ8

What a difference flaps make to a B-29 on landing....

krlang · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 9:18 am

flyingsailor wrote:

We did strike the tail on landing on Thursday. We have performed the necessary inspection and returned the aircraft to flying status. FAA also examined and were satisfied. there is no safety concerns. Please keep speculation to a minimum to cause. Thank you and fly safe .

Chris
CAF B-29B-24 Squadron

Thanks for the info Chris,
Looking forward to the weekend at KRDG, see you there?

bluehawk15 · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 4:33 pm

The degree of flaps makes a difference on every airplane I've flown. As I told Ryan, in the B-25 we have to practice no-flap landings as part of our 6802 exemption requirements. The less flaps, the higher the nose. It's like landing a big tail-dragger, you are looking out the side of the window instead of straight ahead.

On the U-11, I use just enough flaps to trim for the slower speed on approach. It really pitches nose up when the flaps come down. But I use this to an advantage. When I am about t round out, I put the flap lever down. Almost like auto-flare!

the330thbg · **Joined:** Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:06 pm **Posts:** 2713

Looks like she was landing downwind. I was hoping to see her fly by/near the city, but I did not.

Safe travels and thanks for the visit

k5083 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:33 pm

Enough talk, let's have some pics. These are from Friday.

There were several nice T-6/SNJs around, so I'll show them a little love.

N27409, Mr Clyman's plane.

N26862, registered to the Airpower Museum.

N9523C, Dazzling Deb.

The Pennsylvania contingent arrives.

There's an F-84 among the clutter there somewhere.

Fun fact about this plane: according to the museum's signage, it's the only WWII warbird that still flies from the site where it was built.

Some louder iron.

F-18, 2011 paint.

F-18, 1945 paint. BuNo 164673.

F-18, 1944 paint. BuNo 166899.

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