Talk about a Bad Day- Crash Your Stearman & Get arrested....

[oscardeuce]

I really can't go into a lot of details, but booze was NOT a factor.

Was the Trooper lying when he was quoted "alcohol was a factor"?

I've had to clean up after too many drunk drivers to have any sympathy except for the innocent.

You tell a family their 17 year old daughter will never come home because of a drunk driver. I have, it ain't fun.

I say go ahead and make fun.

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[Cvairwerks]

Don't forget that diabetic shock can mimic alcohol impairment close enough that if someone is not closely observing the person, the two can be confused. There are enough cases of it having happened in the past few years. I wouldn't condem the pilot or the officer either way without positive proof of one or the other condition.

Anyway, alcohol and a lot of different things don't mix worth a flip, and that includeds gasoline.

[mustangdriver]

Oscar duece, don't forget I worked 5 years on medical helos. I know very well what it is like to see a car with to folks in it on their first date both deceased because a DUI driver crossed the yellow line and hit them head on. This example is just not the case.

[Jack Cook]

IMHO, I think aircraft crashes and wrecks should be banned from this forum.

8 posts and ready to run the place.
Wrecks and crashes are VERY appropiate here. Sillyness and the jokes really aren't though

[warbird2]

I really can't go into a lot of details, but booze was NOT a factor.

Agreed!

IMHO, I think aircraft crashes and wrecks should be banned from this forum.

Someone could have died and all this thread has been is a joke fest with off topic discussion.

Not to mention speculation.

But nobody did die and hat was clearly stated in the first post. I know you fly a Skyraider on a flight sim and that is about the limit of your involvement with warbirds. If you knew anything about military aviation, at least, then you would know that grave yard type humor is the most common.

[Jack Cook]

If you knew anything about military aviation, at least, then you would know that grave yard type humor is the most common

Well I do know something about military aviation. I also know what's appropiate and what's not.
Having seen violent death courtesy of my military service I don't think it's funny at all

[Nathan]

hi all,

I was once pulled over for a minor traffic violation. I happened to have an outdated INC. card and a new card. You guessed it. I ended up handing the officer my outdated one. After realizing what I had done I tried to explain to the officer I handed him the wrong one. He would not have it at all and gave me a ticket for outdated INC. card! Long story short I think sometimes law enforcement can make mistakes too and will not listen to reason at times.

Back to lurking!

Thanks,
Nate

[warbird2]

If you knew anything about military aviation, at least, then you would know that grave yard type humor is the most common

Well I do know something about military aviation. I also know what's appropiate and what's not.
Having seen violent death courtesy of my military service I don't think it's funny at all

I was not talking to you Jack. I was talking to Skyraiderdriver. Notice how I quoted him and not you?

But, since you brought it up, It does not matter if you think it is funny or not. Graveyard humor is very prevelant in military aviation and military in general. Maybe it was not so much when you were flying twenty years ago but I am flying combat missions now and I can assure you it is very prevelant in today's military. From the people I have talked to over the years that flew in other wars, it was always common.

It is funny how you get on one guy for wanting to say what should be acceptable here (not that I agree with him) but then you want to decide for yourself what is.

[Jack Cook]

I'm talking specifics related to this thread. I'm well aware of the military culture
and accept it. It's just in knowing what's appropiate and what's not. When there's
alcohol involved it's never appropiate. I know you were talking to skyraider flight
sim dude. But, in this instance, he's correct

[N3Njeff]

I really can't go into a lot of details, but booze was NOT a factor.

Agreed!

IMHO, I think aircraft crashes and wrecks should be banned from this forum.

Someone could have died and all this thread has been is a joke fest with off topic discussion.

Not to mention speculation.

I disagree. We are mostly adults here and if this was a tragic accident resulting of a loss of life then I am sure we all would have acted accordingly as we all have done in the past when it has come to bad judgement. But being that a few cuts and bruises suffered for what may look to be very bad decision in the PIC's choice of timing for his flight. As a owner of a similar type of aircraft. I will be looking for the findings of from what it might be so to learn from it. For his sake I hope that alcohol was not involved.

[oscardeuce]

Don't forget that diabetic shock can mimic alcohol impairment close enough that if someone is not closely observing the person, the two can be confused. There are enough cases of it having happened in the past few years. I wouldn't condem the pilot or the officer either way without positive proof of one or the other condition.

Anyway, alcohol and a lot of different things don't mix worth a flip, and that includeds gasoline.

Diabetic shock smells quite different from alcohol intoxication.

[davidbray]

Ummm... until the BAC of the pilot is released I think we should lay off of the drunk at the stick assumptions. Never assume anything, especially when reporters are your source of information.

As far as not posting about crashes and accidents, that is just silly. There is always something that can be learned when there is an accident. To shut off that flow of information could possibly lead to more accidents. As long as everyone posts maturely and responsibly there should be no problem at all.

[Taylor Stevenson]

I for one dread the thought of what some of you would think up if I, god forbid, made a mistake or heck even had an engine out or some 'unavoidable' event. Speculation would quickly begin, almost all from people who would have absolutely no info on the event or how it may have occurred. The thing is, if the serious accusations being made about this pilot are false, then WIX has successfully helped to smear a mans name in a very public venue. This forum has some very good threads and contributors, but I'm not a fan of those people who are the first to speculate about the misfortunes of others and be 'that guy' who moniters the ntsb reports just to be the first to post on WIX. I don't think accident threads should be banned, but I think uninformed input on them should.

[oscardeuce]

I for one dread the thought of what some of you would think up if I, god forbid, made a mistake or heck even had an engine out or some 'unavoidable' event. Speculation would quickly begin, almost all from people who would have absolutely no info on the event or how it may have occurred. The thing is, if the serious accusations being made about this pilot are false, then WIX has successfully helped to smear a mans name in a very public venue. This forum has some very good threads and contributors, but I'm not a fan of those people who are the first to speculate about the misfortunes of others and be 'that guy' who moniters the ntsb reports just to be the first to post on WIX. I don't think accident threads should be banned, but I think uninformed input on them should.

"Unavoidable" being the key word. Getting into a piece of deadly equipment with alcohol on board is avoidable. In this case we still need to find the truth, but if either person in either cockpit was impared, that was a dumb move. you might not be pic when you take off, but a heart attack, bird strike or other emergency may leave you holding the controls.

I too may go down in flames, but not due to something as avoidable as alcohol. I might get "gethomeitis", i may make a poor decision. If i do you'd better learn from it. If i ever touch a drop of booze then get in a car, airplane, or grab my gun, i deserve everything i get and more.

[RyanShort1]

I for one dread the thought of what some of you would think up if I, god forbid, made a mistake or heck even had an engine out or some 'unavoidable' event. Speculation would quickly begin, almost all from people who would have absolutely no info on the event or how it may have occurred. The thing is, if the serious accusations being made about this pilot are false, then WIX has successfully helped to smear a mans name in a very public venue. This forum has some very good threads and contributors, but I'm not a fan of those people who are the first to speculate about the misfortunes of others and be 'that guy' who moniters the ntsb reports just to be the first to post on WIX. I don't think accident threads should be banned, but I think uninformed input on them should.

I'm with you Taylor. I feel the same way about the flying I do. I personally don't touch alcohol, but I've heard and seen how easy it is to get "thrown under the bus" after an accident of any sort - or any relation to you. It's not pleasant.
That said, I'm on several other aviation websites that I monitor as an instructor, and the conversations elsewhere are a lot more speculative, heated, etc... AND often a lot more informative as well from a safety standpoint. The discussions on AF 447 are especially interesting right now. There are valuable lessons to be learned from accidents, and I hope that we continue to discuss them, but it's awful easy to step over the line.

Ryan