C.3605 Schlepp in Knoxville

Swiss Mustangs · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:06 am

marine air wrote:

A few things I remember about it; the engine prop etc. were taken from an OV-1 Mohawk. the wing tip tanks from an MU-2, and that elongated nose was steel tubing 4130 with fibreglas or aluminum square panels held together with Dzus fasteners.
It is an original german designed dive bomber, Heinkel(?) not sure of manufacturer that was built under liscence by the Swiss and fitted with a Hispano-Suiza V-12 of around 1,000 hp. It had similar design specs and armament as a Stuka. The landing gear semi retracts into the wing kind of like a P-40.

Thats pretty much bullsh!t you're talking here.

I will run the specs by you when I get home - but believe me - it has got nothing to do with any German WW 2 a/c producer - it's entirely Swiss designed and even the C-3605 Conversion, based on the C-3603 piston (Hispano) engined airframes, was done and designed in Switzerland with Swiss resources....- the powerplant is the same as in the Mohawk, but that about sums it up.

Regards
Martin

marine air · **Posted:** Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:00 pm

I stand by my post.
In knoxville , Bubba was calling it a German designed dive bomber, which is tatally wrong! Air Classics did an article on them several years ago. so I am just forwarding along the info as it has been put in print. I do think it had a rear gunner with a fairly light caliber machine gun and at least two forward firing small caliber machine guns.
I remember seeing one while in Switzerland in 1984 at the Transportation museum hanging from the ceiling above and near a gorgeous bare metal P-51D. Was that Lucerne, or Bern, I don't remember.
The design: I remember reading that the design was rejected by the German govt. , for whatever reason, and sold to the Swiss. (maybe that was just some engineering or blueprints) Like I said, it didn't reach fruition there. Maybe an engineer contracted or sold his ideas.
This is you chance to show your superiority and set the record straight.

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11330

Mr. Beal has quite a legacy! :shock:

Michel Lemieux · **Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:51 am

An original Swiss Warbird

Original

Re-engineered

RareBear · **Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:19 pm

Some good info on the Schlepp.

http://www.aviation-museum.co.uk/schlepp.html

Walt

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11330

What is the yellow aircraft with the two jets on top of the wing?

http://www.paulnann.com/images/pn_w4872.jpg

Swiss Mustangs · **Posted:** Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:50 pm

N-20.2 Arbalète - scale test-model (scale 1 : 0,6) of the N-20.10 Aiguillon experimental delta jets designed and constructed by F+W Emmen, Switzerland (today RUAG)

Martin

Valkyrie · **Posted:** Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:43 pm

Don't know that anyone's been waiting with baited breath to see this picture since it only took about 7 months to put it up here, but here's a much more recent shot of this tired bird sitting outside in Knoxville. I'll post more if anyone is interested!

Dave G.

marine air · **Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:41 pm

Thank you for setting the record straight. I wonder who the lead engineer was on that project? As for Air Classics magazine, I think back in the 1970's and eighties their research consisted of driving to Chino and having a conversation with whomever they bumped into on the ramp and then putting it into print as fact!!
I have a couple decades worth of their magazines in boxes in storage from back then. If I delivered them up north to you guys as a "present" for the new WIX library from us Rebels down south would I get tarred and feathered or burned at the stake?

T J Johansen · **Posted:** Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:36 pm

marine air wrote:

As for Air Classics magazine, I think back in the 1970's and eighties their research consisted of driving to Chino and having a conversation with whomever they bumped into on the ramp and then putting it into print as fact!!

You are right that the details are not always correct, but there is still a lot of useful info there. I remember learning a lot from those old issues I bought second hand in Oslo around 1983. I did learn to question things every now and then, but there are some great photos/features. I always loved "Warbird Report"!

T J

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

This is the other airplane (not sure if we're talking about the same airplane? or different model / variant?] in Chino, late November 2005:

Saludos,

Tulio

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:58 am

Tulio wrote:

This is the other airplane (not sure if we're talking about the same airplane? or different model / variant?] in Chino, late November 2005:

I have seen that one as well...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 1775rUYTiJ
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 1775mjhXZn
http://community.webshots.com/photo/298 ... 1775kyvwVr
http://community.webshots.com/photo/298 ... 1775UkgmBB

Mike

marine air · **Posted:** Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:37 am

Fantastic, I'll buy the first round!

TAdan · **Posted:** Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:09 am

Wasnt a C.3605 used in the movie "U-571" to portray a German scout/ dive bomber? If not was it a similar aircraft. I seem to remember twin tails and it being a Swiss aircraft.

I recall an article in FlyPast about one being painted in Luftwaffe markings. And its in the move

Hiergehts · **Joined:** Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:54 pm **Posts:** 16

The aircraft used in the film "U-571" was not a C.3605 but instead a Fiat G.59-4B registered I-MRSV (military serial MM53774). The G.59 is a post-war advanced trainer development of the WW2 Fiat G. 55 Centauro. The G.55 was first flown in 1942 and powered by the Fiat R.A 1050 "Tifone" (license-built Daimler-Benz DB.605).

I-MRSV pic: http://website.lineone.net/~roling47/Tr ... iat-1a.JPG

Cheers,
Andrew

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