ME 163 Komet for sale on GunBroker

[Forgotten Field]

That's an assault aircraft- ban it!

[maxum96]

Lemme whip out my cans of T-Stoff and C-Stoff and take her for a test spin!



Scam. Total Scam.

[SaxMan]

Is it just me, or is there a semblance between the HE-162 and the A-10 Warthog: Twin tails, engine(s) mounted high, shoulder wing monoplane, cockpit mounted well forward.

[gregv]

Here's some on the Salamander:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5VyfMnNVn0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlRL320cCGY

Pretty sure the second YouTube link is to werk no. 120015 at the Musee de l'Air in Paris:

http://memorial.flight.free.fr/He162uk.html

The different coloured main gear legs is the tip off. Love that the main gear is from the later Me 109G.

Great pics of the restoration on their site.

greg v.

[JohnB]

"authenic" means, to me at least, just like the original, while "genuine" means the real thing

According to my dictionary, "authentic" means "of undisputed origin; genuine."

Not sure what "authenic" means...

Authentic Replica?

Yes, an authentic replica. As opposed to unauthentic replicas.... say a WWI "replica" with a steel tube fuselage and modern powerplant.
(Although some here would not call that a replica, rather a "look alike". Some people have very high standards to call something a replica, whereas in general useage, if it looks alike...it's a replica.)

You might call any number of flying Spitfires and Mustangs with largely new-built airframes..."authentic (that is technically correct according to the blueprints)....replicas (because the airframes were not produced in period by the original maker).

[redvanner]

Dan K referred to a couple youtube sites and the aircraft videos were by Sandyair. I checked them out and you should too. Aircraft recovery and repair from Austria and seem to be almost on par with Meier Motors.

Hmmmm, I do not want to speculate on the quality of work done by any of those 2 companies mentioned, as I am not in the position to compare any airframes done by them. But there is a difference: Sandyair does static restorations only. MeierMotors does airworhy restorations only. In my opinion a significant difference.

Michael

[Mark_Pilkington]

I thought these two aircraft had been covered in a magazine at some stage? although the sales pitch seems a bit misleading I seem to recall from that article that these were quite accurate reproductions, with a sprinkling of original parts?

(and come to think of it therefore not unlike many recent spitfire and P40 restorations? smiles)

"If they are" relatively accurate?? but only replicas, then they are probably still well priced for a German Museum to pick them up and display them as to build mockups from scratch would probably cost much the same?

I think this might be the source? http://www.nervenklau.de/galerie/he162/ ... index.html

regards

Mark Pilkington

[alang]

The ME-162 had a cartridge actuated ejection seat, does tis one have one?

[Dan K]

Here's some on the Salamander:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5VyfMnNVn0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlRL320cCGY

Pretty sure the second YouTube link is to werk no. 120015 at the Musee de l'Air in Paris:

http://memorial.flight.free.fr/He162uk.html

The different coloured main gear legs is the tip off. Love that the main gear is from the later Me 109G.

Great pics of the restoration on their site.

greg v.

Thanks, Greg.

I guessed (in haste) on the 2nd vid; glad somebody caught it.

[pjpahs]

If the HE 162 is to be static , why go to all the trouble to have the landing gear work as in the video? Is this to be a flyer? Maybe with a modern jet? The world just got a Mossie airborne, why not a He 162?

[Dan K]

...The world just got a Mossie airborne, why not a He 162?

Just a guess...

[redvanner]

...The world just got a Mossie airborne, why not a He 162?

Just a guess...

Well, the whole project of the "Volksjäger" was done in a hurry, they tried to fly before it was ready, or even tested properly. The stills of the video are from the prototype that disintegrated in flight. It was found out afterwards, that the accident happened due to improper glueing of the leadingedge. Due to the glue used for the He 162, the wooden parts must be made new anyway in any airworthy restoration. BTW the He 162 never was an easy to fly ac, as was intended initially. Nothing for HJ gliderpilots just hopping in and fighting the allies.

Michael

[Mudge]

That's an assault aircraft- ban it!

No, it just LOOKS like an assault aircraft but it'll get banned anyway.

Mudge the well armed

[JDK]

I've got this authentic goldfield map at home...

Is it just me, or is there a semblance between the HE-162 and the A-10 Warthog: Twin tails, engine(s) mounted high, shoulder wing monoplane, cockpit mounted well forward.

Interesting thought. There's a superficial similarity, but you can find as many differences as comparisons. (And, btw, the A-10 is low-wing, high tail, and specifically to 'hide' the engines as missile targets.) It's well worth noting that the A-10 is that rare thing, and aircraft where looks and configuration are entirely subservient to the role.

The 162 was a radical design, but nothing like as dedicated as the A-10.

If the HE 162 is to be static , why go to all the trouble to have the landing gear work as in the video? Is this to be a flyer? Maybe with a modern jet? The world just got a Mossie airborne, why not a He 162?

Money and ownership. The He 162 was restored with systems working by the excellent Memorial Flight in France, who have also restored and built some remarkable Great War aircraft to airworthy condition, and which fly regularly. The He 162 is owned by the Musee de l'Air, and like most national collections, they have a no fly policy on their artefacts.

The He 162 would make a great flying warbird project, subject to a lot of challenges and a scary amount of cash. It was actually seriously considered recently by a well-known restorer and his team, and they obtained a genuine, original example, but in due course the idea seems to have been abandoned. If they decided not to, ...

The de Havilland Mosquito rebuild was an incredible achievement; however the type is Merlin powered and well documented with a huge number of type hours and data. The He 162 isn't.

Regards,

[SaxMan]

I've got this authentic goldfield map at home...

Is it just me, or is there a semblance between the HE-162 and the A-10 Warthog: Twin tails, engine(s) mounted high, shoulder wing monoplane, cockpit mounted well forward.

Interesting thought. There's a superficial similarity, but you can find as many differences as comparisons. (And, btw, the A-10 is low-wing, high tail, and specifically to 'hide' the engines as missile targets.) It's well worth noting that the A-10 is that rare thing, and aircraft where looks and configuration are entirely subservient to the role,

D'oh! I don't know what I was smoking when I was picturing an A-10 with a shoulder wing in my mind. Thank you for bringing me back to reality .

I guess technically, any plane can resemble any other plane if you look hard enough.