Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:21 pm
John Kerr wrote:Additional photo of aircraft landing on the runway. photo by John Kerr
He may not have had gear down, but does anyone know if he caught the #3 wire?
Robbie
(aka, "Smart A$$")
Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:58 pm
kenlyco wrote:It seems as if he did not know that his gear was not down?
That is the way it appears to me also.
# 1 - There is the F-18 making a high speed pass at the same time. I don't think the F-18 would have been there in a known emergency situation, they would have cleared the airspace.
# II - The announcer can be clearly heard throughout, so if there had been a developing emergency the photographer would have heard it from the announcer.
# Tress - There is a complete lack of on ready fire equipment for this emergency. You would think they would have been on him pretty quick.
Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:31 pm
Thatss what it looks like to me ,Who was there. was there rescue waiting, What were you all seeing on Final??
Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:58 am
Actually, it sounds like the announcer was drowned out by the F-18 making the photo pass. When you start to hear him, he's talking as if it's a known emergency because he says "...he's had an landing gear problem and once he gets stopped and we'll roll the trucks," as the noise of the F-18 fades away.
I've also noticed (oddly) that there is no FAA report filed for this.
I've also noticed (oddly) that there is no FAA report filed for this.
Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:19 am
CAPFlyer wrote:Actually, it sounds like the announcer was drowned out by the F-18 making the photo pass. When you start to hear him, he's talking as if it's a known emergency because he says "...he's had an landing gear problem and once he gets stopped and we'll roll the trucks," as the noise of the F-18 fades away.
I've also noticed (oddly) that there is no FAA report filed for this.
FWIW when my T-33 had hydraulic failure (engine driven pump failed, elec emergency pump operated but was not putting out rated pressure as it should've been) and had to be landed main gear down, nose gear up, (uneventfully, with very minor damage) the FAA considered it neither an accident nor an incident. If it weren't for the fact that the tower controller got all spun up and called the FSDO, the FAA inspectors likely would've never found out about it.
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Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:20 am
Great that no one was hurt, and that the A/C is not damaged too bad.
Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:42 am
He forgot to lower the gear. Those who have...those who will...
Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:02 pm
ATC didn't do him any favors if that is the case as they are supposed to watch each aircraft as it approached an do a scan of the aircraft to ensure that the gear is down. And if it is not, Are to prompt the pilot with "Check gear down".
Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:12 pm
CAPFlyer wrote:Actually, it sounds like the announcer was drowned out by the F-18 making the photo pass. When you start to hear him, he's talking as if it's a known emergency because he says "...he's had an landing gear problem and once he gets stopped and we'll roll the trucks," as the noise of the F-18 fades away.
I've also noticed (oddly) that there is no FAA report filed for this.
I think my point was that the F-18 would not have been making that type of pass with a on going emergency happening. They would have cleared the airspace for the emergency..........especially a low alt. high speed pass like that.
Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:46 pm
Maybe, but I would also contend that no competent airboss would allow an aircraft to land against a low level high speed pass like that either.
Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:29 pm
That landing pass from the F-18 is part of the Legacy flight routine. I'd say the Airboss was pretty competent in this case.
David
David
Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:28 pm
mustangdriver wrote:ATC didn't do him any favors if that is the case as they are supposed to watch each aircraft as it approached an do a scan of the aircraft to ensure that the gear is down. And if it is not, Are to prompt the pilot with "Check gear down".
It was the case...he forgot the gear.
Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:30 pm
Man, that sucks.
Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:26 pm
Now that it's been a while, does one have photos of the damage that was received?
Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:45 am
mustangdriver wrote:ATC didn't do him any favors if that is the case as they are supposed to watch each aircraft as it approached an do a scan of the aircraft to ensure that the gear is down. And if it is not, Are to prompt the pilot with "Check gear down".
They still say that in the US? Up here in Canada many years ago "check gear down" was removed from landing clearance phraseology as a method of reducing liability.