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[JDK]

Hope you enjoy it, Dan! Mine won't have got here yet.

On the CAC versus Canadair Sabre, the reality is they're both different routes to different ideas and objectives of enhancing an already superlative design; notable both were also successful, which is rarer than you'd expect on precedents in these cases.

As far as I now there was never an opportunity for a direct comparison, or fly-off (not that that is necessarily as definitive as some would like to believe) and I'd be interested in tracking down any test pilot who flew the CAC Sabre and either the Canadair or F-86F as well.

Regards,

[Tom H]

Dan

Tom - you can always cut a chubby girl some slack when she's packin' a big set of guns!

Comment of the thread! LOL

James

So the Ordinaria engine one is less punchy and arguably better at messing around but can't run away?

Runaway, runaway why? Canadians aren't that big of Monty Python fans.

Because it was better at messin round (mind you Canadians are said to be better at messin round...wink wink nudge nudge say no more lol) it didn't need to runaway....only Monty Python comment I could think of that fit.

Tom

[C VEICH]

On this bird, why does the canopy ride up when opened?
Is it to clear a MBaker seat or such?
Thx,
VL

Possibly the first post in this thread has the answer to your question Vlado.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showth ... p?t=119065

[JDK]

If it's the Luftwaffe system, then the first post is only partly correct, and needs to be read with post 7 in that thread:

First:

The Canadians I believe created a fix for their Sabres by having the rails rise up to clear the pilots head whilst here in Australia our Avon Sabres had a large spring loaded bolt shatter the canopy first with the pilot then ejecting straight through the remains of the canopy.

Seventh:

The rising canopy rails were a feature of Canadair Sabres modified to have a Martin Baker Mk.5 seat. Not so much about the pilot, more simply about being able to open and close the canopy over the top of a taller seat. I believe this mod was never applied to RCAF Sabres, only to some of those used by the Luftwaffe (some of which later found their way to Pakistan).

And the RAAF CAC Sabre A94-983 is fitted with this German-originated system around a British seat, intended for a Canadian version but now also in an Australian aircraft.

As seen here:




http://vintageaeroplanewriter.blogspot. ... ivate.html

There's also a feature article in the latest Warbird Digest (by yours truly) on the CAC Sabre mentioning this ejection setup.

Regards,

[JohnB]

As far as I now there was never an opportunity for a direct comparison, or fly-off (not that that is necessarily as definitive as some would like to believe) and I'd be interested in tracking down any test pilot who flew the CAC Sabre and either the Canadair or F-86F as well.

Regards,

Here's something on Aussie vs Canadian Sabres from Plane Speaking by Bill Gunston (RAF pilot turned engineer at Hawker).

Gunston spends half a page describing the troubles the CAC had in putting the Avon engine in the Australian Sabre and how a engine change eventually resulted in 665 engineering changes with more than 60 percent of the fuselage being redesigned and ended up with a aircraft about 1100 pounds heavier than the F-86F.
The RAAF Chief of Staff, AM Sir Frederick Scherger said of the resulting aircraft..."What we got at the end was a fighter just about as good as the F-86F but three years later and costing twice as much".


He goes onto say: (pg.173).
"One of the few people who flew almost every type of Sabre, R.N. "Bob" Broad, has no hesitation saying the best of the lot was the Canadian Sabre 6. This also had a different engine, the Orenda 14, but somehow they shoved this Avon-power engine in without changing much else, and there was no need for more than very local modifications. Bob reckoned the sabre 6 'the best dogfighter of its day, even better than the FJ-4 Fury' ".