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mike furline · **Joined:** Wed May 05, 2004 3:45 pm **Posts:** 2635

Jesse C. wrote:

Thanks for sharing them, CDF! These pics are wild!

I see the Death's Head painted on the side of the HE 111, was the SS also part of the Luftwaffe?

The Death's Head emblem belonged to KG54, not related to the SS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampfgeschwader_54

EDMJ · **Joined:** Tue May 25, 2010 3:09 pm **Posts:** 38

Great photos; many thanks for posting!

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Okay, so the aircraft in the first set of photos in the above post is a Bf 108, but what is the second twin-engined one. It brings to mind a Fw 189, but I know that's not it. I'm guessing it's a Messerschmitt seeing as that is what all the other aircraft models are. (I'm gonna kick myself for not knowing this.)

I think the twin-engined aircraft (in the photo between the last Bf 108 photo and the first Blenheim photo) in the hangar are Caproni Ca 309's.

Mudge · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:32 am

The picture of all the workers giving the "Heil" salute caught my eye as the guy in the foreground in the dark jacket wasn't "Heiling". BUT... if you look more closely, you can see that his right hand is blurred as it starts upward in the salute. For a moment there, I was worried about his future. :wink:

Mudge the empathetic

shrike · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:36 am

EDMJ wrote:

Great photos; many thanks for posting!

Quote:

Okay, so the aircraft in the first set of photos in the above post is a Bf 108, but what is the second twin-engined one. It brings to mind a Fw 189, but I know that's not it. I'm guessing it's a Messerschmitt seeing as that is what all the other aircraft models are. (I'm gonna kick myself for not knowing this.)

I think the twin-engined aircraft (in the photo between the last Bf 108 photo and the first Blenheim photo) in the hangar are Caproni Ca 309's.

Good call, but the radial engines make them Ca 310's or 311's.
Trivia - At the start of the war, when Italy was still officially neutral, the RAF was negotiating to buy several hundred of these (and Fiat G-50's)

redvanner · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:30 pm

The Inspector wrote:

OK, everyone knows that an 'Arkansas speed socket' is known in England as an 'American adjustable 'C' spanner' so what's it called in German?
A lot of those shop pictures reminded me of my early days @ TRAMCO when 737's were packed in like sardines. :lol:

@"The Inspector": Colloquially it is called "Engländer" (Englishman). The correct word would be "Rollgabelschlüssel".
(German) Wikipage here:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engl%C3%A4nder_(Werkzeug)

@CDF: Thank you for posting those rare pictures. I really enjoyed them.

Michael

DaveM2 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:36 pm

Got a note from the Col, and he concurs with Shrike ..... the aircraft in question is a Caproni Bergamaschi Ca-310 it appears to be one of the aircraft that went to Norway and was later captured by the Germans. The Germans used a version called the Ca-313G that they used for communications/trainer aircraft. It looks like all the aircraft in that photo are Ca-310s.

Re the Ca 309, the Germans never operated any of them and they also had fixed landing gear.

shrike · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:59 pm

Also un Clef Anglaise in French

The Inspector · **Posted:** Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:16 pm

redvanner wrote:

The Inspector wrote:

OK, everyone knows that an 'Arkansas speed socket' is known in England as an 'American adjustable 'C' spanner' so what's it called in German?
A lot of those shop pictures reminded me of my early days @ TRAMCO when 737's were packed in like sardines. :lol:

@"The Inspector": Colloquially it is called "Engländer" (Englishman). The correct word would be "Rollgabelschlüssel".
(German) Wikipage here:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engl%C3%A4nder_(Werkzeug)

@CDF: Thank you for posting those rare pictures. I really enjoyed them.

Michael

REDVANNER,
:rofl:

THANX!!

Punisher05 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:14 am

[quote="CDF"]

First, thanks a ton CDF for posting these, they're beyond awesome.

Next, OK I get the HE-111s with a bunch of .303 holes in them but...whaddaya think happened HERE? AA?

-Brandon

shepsair · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:51 pm

Dave

I am not sure if the swastika is officially allowed on static aircraft in Germany. Until recently no aircraft carried those markings. From memory, I believe it was Dr Holgar Steinle who was the first to have the static Bf110 F-2 completed with the swastika on the fin. Seem to recall he was getting more criticism from the younger generation that the displays were incorrect and with the older generation dying out, perhaps it has become more acceptable. Would be interesting to know if it is officially allowed?

20 years ago I remember we had to talk about WWII with hushed voices in public in Germany.

As for a flying example. I cannot see this happening just yet!

regards

Mark

Noha307 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:59 pm

CDF wrote:

The above two pictures seem to be companion shots. (Note that object with the five pointed star shape in the foreground of the truck is in the same place in both photos as well as the bleachers(?) in front of the biplane.) I have to say, I like the contrast in the worker's attitudes. From "Attenzion!" to "Ugh. Staff meeting." :lol:

Really loving the views of the damage by the way.

Interesting to see how they numbered the bullet holes. Amazing that they made it back after some of that!

Noha307 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:14 pm

Punisher05 wrote:

CDF wrote:

OK I get the HE-111s with a bunch of .303 holes in them but...whaddaya think happened HERE? AA?

I was wondering that myself. These pictures immediately came to mind - likely something similar happened:
Dave's Warbirds - Battle-damaged B-17s- Fuselage hits - page #1
Dave's Warbirds - Battle-damaged B-17s- Fuselage hits - page #2

(Somehow I forgot to check the third page of this thread before my last post. :roll:

)

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:32 pm

The Censor missed one! In the first photo, the plane closest to the camera has over 3/4 of the swastika showing. He will probably be beaten and hung if anybody finds out.

DaveM2 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:44 pm

shepsair wrote:

Dave

I am not sure if the swastika is officially allowed on static aircraft in Germany. Until recently no aircraft carried those markings. From memory, I believe it was Dr Holgar Steinle who was the first to have the static Bf110 F-2 completed with the swastika on the fin. Seem to recall he was getting more criticism from the younger generation that the displays were incorrect and with the older generation dying out, perhaps it has become more acceptable. Would be interesting to know if it is officially allowed?

20 years ago I remember we had to talk about WWII with hushed voices in public in Germany.

As for a flying example. I cannot see this happening just yet!

regards

Mark

Mark

I visited DTMB back in 1996, at that time they had a large info board headed with a swastika with the question- should it be displayed? Now every WWII era Luftwaffe type on display carries the symbol. Being that it is a national musuem funded by the Govt, I would have thought that was 'official.' Sinsheim/Speyer museums also display some aircraft fully marked.

Will make an inquiry and see if I can get the black & white of it so to speak.....

Dave

DaveM2 · **Posted:** Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:34 pm

Looks like the original prints are not censored - click on the photo of the cover and it brings up five larger shots ( follow the arrow). Interesting book!

http://www.weishaupt.at/luftfahrt_flugs ... zeugwerke/

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