Warbird Information Exchange

How do you fuel a B-25? The MU-2s I fly have the main fuel tank filler cap between the fuselage and nacelles and fuelers beat the heck out of the landing gear blisters with their ladders. Could a wheeled ladder have been used here to fuel Panchito?

-Tim

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Come on, driving between the nacelle and fuselage? No reason for anyone to be that close to the aircraft except the crew and fuel staff.

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I figure if you wanted my opinion on items unrelated to this forum, you'd ask for it.

and it could have been either of them and nobody willing to own up to it!

Didn't a truck run into the Cavanaugh museums Messerschmitt at Oshkosh many years back? I also remember hearing that a truck ran into a B-1 at an airshow.

It is a shame that this has happened. Mr. Larry is a great guy, and the crews that fly with him, or represent him are great people.
I was at an air show at Warner Robins when Mr. Larry and Tom Reilly flew in. While I was talking with Mr. Larry, who had his back to his bomber, I saw this...probably 10 year old kid with his "daddy" checking out the bomber just under the port side of the cockpit....then I saw the little "fan" reaching for the antenna under the ship...and daddy just watching and smiling.......until I told little t u r d to keep his hands of the antenna as he tried to strum a g cord with it. Argggggggggggg

Excuse me, I digress......

I too believe that it appears that it was done with a golf cart and said operator was scared crapless enough to Not tell anyone (but they know who they are and probably visit this site as well). Could it have been someone wanting to use the roof of the golf cart as a boost up on the wing for a better view from topside...possibly. Could it have been done with a golf cart to boost the gas hose guy atop the wing for refuel?....possibly.

Attention Golf Cart Operator....if you are the person responsible for the damage to N9079Z during the Fun n Sun Event, please be a "responsible" person and contact the owner and fess up. If you can't be a grown up about it, please keep TF away from events in the future.

just my opinion and have been known to be wrong...but that is the way I see it

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Vandalism is usually more deliberate.. like the brain donor who signed/scratched his initials into the wing fillet on Clay Lacys DC3

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Over several years of handling auto accident claims, I can tell you people often don't have a clue they've hit a vehicle. Several times I've had a person yelling at me for making a liability decision of them causing a loss in a parking lot, and I'm watching them hit the other car on the security camera video. I once even showed a person the video because they simply wouldn't believe it. Even after watching her hit the parked car, she still denied doing it, stating that it must have been CGI created somewhere. I could tell she really believed she didn't hit that parked car. You might ask how that's possible (in her case, she rocked the parked car pretty hard), but it is. Exactly. I see nothing here to suggest vandalism. People vandalize something to either punish someone for some kind of issue, to make a point, or because they just got bored. People don't vandalize things with even, straight, horizontal lines like this.

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Or someone with ZERO common sense like these people zooming around in golfcarts during the two night shows when the ramp was pitch black. You think a $30K scratch is bad? They could have slammed into any of those planes on the ramp and caused worse damage where the plane might have not even been airworthy - that scratch isn't going to ground Panchito. Even worse they could have run over a person or someone's child and permanently injured them.

I am still NOT saying it definitely is one of these probably unauthorized teenagers driving the golfcarts at the night show that caused this, but I am still trying to figure out how some of these people that looked awefully young were doing driving these golfcarts - because they weren't the orange vest people. If they are careless enough around people, then they will be that way around aircraft too.

I would suggest Sun N Fun in the future limit the golfcart useage on the dark/crowded ramps during the night shows to just the actual vested in Sun N Fun staff and have them watch their speeds. I guess I am just venting because I nearly got hit during Saturday night's show by one driven by someone that looked like they shouldn't be driving it. I'm not sure if these "kids" are contracted employees with the vendors, because they weren't there to do work - they were watching the show too - or if some of the staff allowed their children to joyride on these golfcarts during the night show.

My folks and I have been doing night security in the Warbirds area in Oshkosh for well over 20 years. It's primarily us, an auxiliary police officer who I apologize in advance for if you've ever run into him (he thinks he's tough s#it) and whoever we can scrounge up which maybe adds one person (who really wants to drive around in the dark getting a faceful of mosquitos).

It's hard to cover so much area but this is why we do it. You'd be surprised how many bikes and golf carts go tooling around there in total darkness.

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And female aerobatic pilots with the initials P.W.

And how many photographers with a flash walking around on foot trying to get night shots (that get chased off).

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There are plenty of them too. A closed area is a closed area. I know you had a bad experience once and i'm pretty sure it was the auxiliary officer who must've hassled you. I've said it before and i'll say it again...if you come back to Oshkosh give me a holler and i'll gladly take you out at night.

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I would like to volunteer to fix the scratch, for which I will charge the bargain rate of only 25,000 dollars. I figure that will cover the tuition for my metal working class, in addition to whatever it costs to rent a buffer.

Wax is extra.

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Disregard

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I was not in the closed "hot" area of the flight line. I was taking photos of Rudy Frasca's Spitfire in an open area where Rudy had been giving a talk about the Spitfire earlier in the day. There were no signs that this area was closed, and had I been walking someplace, nobody would have bothered me. They only knew I was there because of the flash. Maybe they thought I was trying to light the plane on fire with my Bic lighter (even though I don't smoke)?

If I ever go back (I went for about 25 years consecutively), I might look you up. The photography bug has mostly passed though I'm afraid.