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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:31 pm 
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The whole 105 saga still makes me mad. Did Collings ever get ahold of an airframe? Or would that have taken another act of Congress? I know I'm not alone, but I would have absolutely loved to see an airworthy Thud. My guess is the folks who fought the Phantom acquisition had their feathers all ruffled and decided to make certain there would be no potentially airworthy F-105s from which to choose. Too bad we never sold them to any other countries...

Perhaps Ryan Harris can chime in here and add to my hazy memory, but I believe they had the opportunity to buy a single seat F-105 and fly it, but they weren't interested because it didn't have a second seat. I believe the whole purpose was to sell rides in the back seat like the F-4 they have. The maintenance cost of keeping a single seat Viet Nam era afterburning aircraft operational is enormous and a huge money losing proposition unless they can sell rides and/or flight training in the aircraft to defray the huge operating costs.


No F-105 was ever acquired. An Act of Congress was indeed the plan all along, but the whole process was hoped to be achieved with the blessing of the USAF, NMUSAF, and Congress. The F-4 and TA-4 were acquired the same way. There is literally no other way to acquire these airframes free and clear without an Act of Congress. Some people were on board, but the Director of the NMUSAF would not budge. This is the same director that fought the CAF over the F-82. All surviving airframes are under control of the NMUSAF, so there was not an option to purchase a single seat F-105D. The goal was a F-105F/G, with the original desired airframe being the last example still at AMARC. It had been in the desert and spray latted since its retirement. Based on our history with the F-4 and TA-4, those airframes still need work, but are remarkably preserved. That airframe was quickly given to the Evergreen museum and is still there now. I'm sure that rides/flight training in the 105 would've been one of the goals, but the second seat is also nice to help transport ground crew with the airplane for out of town events. Rides/flight training are a huge component to offsetting costs of these jets, and we are currently capable of flights in the F-4, TA-4, Me-262, and Huey. We hope to have the F-100 available at some point as well.

Only one F-105G "escaped" USAF control, and that was the airframe built up by a gentleman in Reno, and now belongs to Paul Allen. I believe FHC had intentions of flying the airplane at one point in time, but the NMUSAF stepped in there as well, and I'm fairly certain that now have control of it too. It is a beautifully restored static, but I don't believe we'll ever see it come alive.

Thanks for the info, Ryan.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:28 pm 
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At lunch today at our EAA chapter house I talked with one of our members who flew F-106's in the Air Force. He said he was just looking at his F-106 flight manual this morning and would love to fly an F-106 again. He said their squadron flew all their F-106's to Davis Monathan and the only viable one he knows of is the NASA one.


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OD/NG wrote:
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I read that due to the 105 and 106 being nuclear capable, the gubmint would not allow them to ever have air under their wings again. I am with so many of you though in that I would LOVE to see either or both airborne once again!

That argument is utter, complete non-sense. It's just the USAF exerting control and not wanting us "unwashed masses of civilians" having access to 60 plus year old technology.

If allowing so-called "nuclear capable" aircraft to fly then why do they allow:

-2 nuclear capable B-29's to fly?
-a nuclear capable F-8 Crusader to fly?
-several nuclear capable F-100's to fly?
-several nuclear capable F-104's to fly?
-several nuclear capable A-4's to fly?
-a whole host of former Soviet aircraft to fly, including front-line service Mig-23's, Mig-29's and Su-27 Flanker aircraft to fly - most of which are nuclear capable?

By the way, I got to see the F-105 fly many times in my youth when I was little. It is an amazing aircraft and by far, my most favorite to watch fly. It had an absolutely amazing unique sound when it flew and sounded so badass. It is perhaps the only aircraft in existence that has more "badassery" than the F-4!

Please expand on the flying F-8 (who, where, when). Have never heard of this. No intention to thread hijack, just a side note please.


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Please expand on the flying F-8 (who, where, when). Have never heard of this. No intention to thread hijack, just a side note please.


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