USAF Museum

[n5151ts]

I wasn't talking about you Mudge. Ha Ha

one of us doesnt get it///

I'm not the one that says he can't find anything good to look at in a museum full of 400 warbirds. Oh, I know let me beat you to it, they are just replicas because they don't fly.

because if you were you would know about the time honored tradition of the navy making fun of the air force and vice versa...its a good natured rivalry and if push comes to shove a navy pilot will risk everything to save the life of an air force pilot on a moments notice as would they to us....good day

[mustangdriver]

Never served in the USAF or navy, but I do try to save lives every day. This has nothing to do with that, but good shot. Anytime anyone on here talks about a static airplane you call it a replica or dead, and you started to do it here. I called you on it and now you are trying to change that to good ol' nature ribbing. maybe if you'd cut static aircraft and the people that resore and care for them every day a break, I would believe you. But some one post pics of a fresh static restoration that many have worked on for years, and the only thing you can say is, Just another perfectly restored dead airplane. I guess I sound angry, I am not, but I do wish you would understand that these are important as well.

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[coldaffyduck]

Mustangdriver,
I think you need to be corrected about the planes not flying, If I'm not mistaken most of the planes flew into the museum (like "Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby", the XB-70, F-22, SR-71). Heck, even parts of the "Swoose" and C-99 flew into the museum.

[Thomas]

Face it, some of those restored warbirds flying now won't fly forever. And i would rather have them as a static display than wiped from history. So somewhere down the road someone is going to have to devote time and effort into those planes as static displays and i believe those individuals hold a very important role in preserving our aviation history.

Just my two cents

[coldaffyduck]

I guess I am one of those that doesn't like to see airplanes just sitting in a museum and not flying BUT like I explained to my daughter while going into the USAF museum last week, museums like this are a good thing because they are trying to preserve all these aircraft so her children and grandchildren can see them. I explained that I love to see them fly but if they are the sole example left they need to be put in a museum and not flown. Case in point is the B-10, what are the chances of any of these being around if it wasn't for the museum searching it out and preserving it? What would be nice Mustangdriver, is if everyone would realise that their is room enough out there for both static museums and airworhty museums. What would people say if the AF museum decided to fly the "Memphis Belle" after it is restored and then the same thing happens to it that happened to the Boeing 307 airliner but worse?

Mudge,
To answer your initial question, we spent a day there but I feel I was very rushed with going to the Presidential and x-plane and then the other three main hangers. Also we stayed at the Comfort Suites which is right across the road from the museum which made it very conveniant.

[mustangdriver]

That is all I ever say is that we need both. But when someone calls Flack bait just a replica since it is a non flyer, then I get defensive. We do need both flying and static birds. When do you ever see me saying that the CF or CAF need to ground the fleet? I just paid money to go through the CF birds, and I am a Col. in the CAF. I am also a member of both the NMUSAF, NMNA, and Kalamazoo Air Zoo, as well as Planes of Fame and Liberty Belle and Warbirds of America. And a Lifetime Member of the EAA. So it is not like I am not a fan of both. I think BOTH are very important.

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[Matt Gunsch]

The 307 ditching was caused by the simple fact of they ran it out of gas. There was nothing wrong with the plane, it was the fault of a flight crew, who thought the engines would run on air.

So much for professional crew.

[mustangdriver]

What does that matter. Pilot error still causes crashes. The 307 is a Prime example of why the Belle is not going to be flown as well as it is to historic

[coldaffyduck]

Thank you Mustang, that was going to be my reply.

[Matt Gunsch]

What does that matter. Pilot error still causes crashes. The 307 is a Prime example of why the Belle is not going to be flown as well as it is to historic

Don;t have a lot of confidence in AF crews do you ? about as much as I do with AF musuem aircraft moving crews. the hammer, chisle and hacksaw brigade.

[mustangdriver]

I am not a fan of taking a risk that doesn't need to be taken. As far as that comment about the USAF moving crews, you may want to check some facts out about that that are not out on the board.

[steve dickey]

Rant rant , piss piss moan moan , Stay the "F" on topic Why is it nearly every thread goes off subject so soon and then stays there till umpteen pages

Mudge; two days minimum to be able to absorb everything, me and a buddy(hi Lynn ) went there for one day during the Gathering last year and I almost blew my souviner(spell ) time to almost closing and had to rush to find something I liked, too many choices book wise I think monopods are allowed and tripods are not, take a mono pod you will use it every shot except close up stuff. Most of my shots came out OK but I would have benifitted greatly with a monopod.
Hope you enjoy the up coming trip and hope to see some samples here

[Steve Nelson]

As far as I know tripods are allowed in the NMUSAF. I've been using one there for nearly 20 years and no one's ever bothered me about it.

I'd say definately two days if you've never been there before..especially if you take the Presidential hangar tour. If you can get there on a Friday, the "behind the scenes" tour is definately worth the time.

SN

[Mudge]

OK...the Friday tour and then two days in the museum it is. (With a tripod.)
Gee I love all the "Mine's bigger than yours" dust-ups we have here. For anyone who can remember back through all the "in-between" stuff, this post was a simple question about how much time I should plan for the USAF Museum. Got just a little askew somehow.

Mudge the mollified

[mustangdriver]

Mudge if you let me know ahead of time when you are going to be there, I can meet you there and give you the grand tour.