TSA Large Aircraft Security Proposal

[YAF340]

I have met with my congressman in Ohio, was able to down load a few items from this post that had some hard hitting points. Took about 20 minutes to put a folder together. WIX is Great ! You should to! JOE

[Lynn Allen]

I don't know if it will help or not but Rush Limbaugh was talking about the stupidity of the TSA proposal today on his radio show....

I have written my reps have you?

I hope everybody has as KLNC is on the dance card....

Lynn

[mlenoch]

Yes, this is an opinion.......very strong opinion.

If you are a WIX'er who likes to visit a passing warbird on the ramp, you will be stopped and possibly detained by the TSA police. If the LASP does come to pass, this secenario will very likely happen (my very strong opinion). Just like airline aircraft, all LASP affected aircraft will likely be secured on the ramp and not allow any person not cleared by the TSA watch-list from approaching that aircraft. This can happen at your local home airport, not just air carrier facilities.

What aircraft are affected: P-47s, TBMs, B-17s, B-25s, T-33s, etc. Common everyday warbird aircraft will now be off limits to your visit and walk around. (The pilots of these aircraft will be severly detrimentally affected by LASP. Hopefully, all pilots & maintainers have already sent their opinion to the TSA about the proposal.)

More opinion: This is the last week to mail/email/phone/telegram/carrier pigeon your opinion of the TSA's LASP. I would urge that do you so now. Don't depend on the other guy to make your case. The TSA is especially & particularly looking for numbers: how much $money the LASP will affect you...so please, if you have some numbers in mind, let them know any quantitative data.

Final opinion: I believe we cannot let this go through and I would urge all of US WIXers and any friends in the 'business' to tell your opposition to LASP......NOW....this week!

(I am off the soapbox now)
Thx,
VL

[Lynn Allen]

The Collins Foundation has a great link to help you voice your opinion...

http://collingsfoundation.org/enews/ene ... eb09.1.htm

Lynn

[RickH]

Lynn, I know down here in Texas we tend to drop the g off of our ings but it really is Collings Foundation. Helps folks from confusing us with Collins Avionics !

[Lynn Allen]

Lynn, I know down here in Texas we tend to drop the g off of our ings but it really is Collings Foundation. Helps folks from confusing us with Collins Avionics !

Well duh you think I wood see that...thanks..

Lynn

[Eric Friedebach]

From today’s EAA e-Hotline:

New TSA Airports Initiative Raises Major Concerns

February 25, 2009 — As more details of a Transportation Security Administration (TSA) airport-security program come to light, a troubling picture begins to emerge of yet another unnecessary threat to aviators’ freedoms. An airport-security directive that the TSA has been holding close to its vest has provoked objections from EAA and other general aviation groups.

Although TSA and its parent organization, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), have shared little information about these airport security initiatives with general aviation operators, TSA evidently has engaged in communications with the airports. From there, news of the impending “reforms” has trickled into the general aviation pilot community, and pilots have been alerting EAA to their concerns.

The directive appear to apply to users of airports that have scheduled air carrier service, even if only a single scheduled arrival or departure. In short, the directive requires each of these airports to implement programs requiring security badges and background checks for all pilots based there, and for other airport personnel who have unescorted access to the airport.

Furthermore, some evidence suggests that TSA might expand the requirements to include FAA-designated reliever airports, where there is no scheduled airline service.

In response to the outcry from EAA and the other aviation groups, TSA has pushed a looming airport compliance deadline back to June 1, 2009, and in the interim has agreed to meet with representatives of the groups.

Some of the emerging information on the directive suggests a problematic lack of standardization. The airports would adopt their own specific programs, placing an unwieldy burden on pilots to know the compliance procedures and requirements at each airport to which the pilot flies.

Members of EAA’s advocacy staff are among the industry representatives with whom TSA has pledged to meet. “We’ll emphasize the importance of readily available access for general aviation pilots and aircraft owners,” said Earl Lawrence, EAA’s vice president of industry and regulatory affairs. “The TSA’s proposals exceed the bounds of a security directive by expanding existing air carrier security programs to a whole new community of operators. We believe that significant changes in the scope of TSA’s programs require a deliberative rulemaking process, including the opportunity for those with a major stake in the outcome to provide comment.”

EAA’s regulatory affairs staff encourages members to e-mail accounts of firsthand experiences of any newly implemented security procedures at their home airports. “This reporting will help to expand our understanding of the TSA’s intent and the airports’ interpretation of it. It will also alert us to any premature measures being adopted before TSA has an opportunity to consider the industry groups’ input and possibly revise its position,” Lawrence said.

EAA members may report revised security measures by sending e-mail to: govt@eaa.org.

http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-02-25_airports.asp

[mlenoch]

Guys: Today is the last day to complain. What the prior email says, is that your familiar airport will now be completely off limits 24/7...even when only ONE air carrier is operating from that airport. We will no longer be able to walk up to ANY transient aircraft for a look-see.
The TSA responds to numerical responses much better. Tell them how much money/time this will impact your activity. Include the cost of your getting a security clearance in your numbers.
Plz do this today.
Thx,
VL
(Did somebody leave this soapbox laying here??)

[Ztex]

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[EDowning]

Comments posted.

[Dan K]

For those interested: A link to the "Comprehensive Comments" filed by the EAA on Feb. 27th in opposition to the LASP.

http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/lasp_comments.pdf

Also, Dan's special kudos to the Alaska State Senate for "Resolution No. 6", which requests the TSA to immediately cease consideration of the LASP; a copy of which is included at the end of the EAA's document.

[mlenoch]

(oh, here he goes again...........)

I am almost of the opinion that the TSA is a precurser to the Gestapo. One hungarian-heritage biz pilot said that very analogy at the Chicago TSA meeting. I tend to believe him. Might be why gun sales are up lately?

I just hope LASP dies a deserved swift death.

Thx,
VL

[JDK]

...I am almost of the opinion that the TSA is a precurser to the Gestapo. One hungarian-heritage biz pilot said that very analogy at the Chicago TSA meeting.

Well he should know better. While there's no argument this is very important, it's hardly arbitrary dragging people from their beds at 3am and sending them to death camps without trial, is it?

Hysterical and inaccurate analogies won't help the case, and are just the kind of over reaction that would play right into the TSA's hands.

I just hope LASP dies a deserved swift death.

Agreed. Solid, measured response through due process and appropriate pressure is the best route, IMHO. Good luck.

Regards,

[RyanShort1]

I am almost of the opinion that the TSA is a precurser to the Gestapo. One hungarian-heritage biz pilot said that very analogy at the Chicago TSA meeting. I tend to believe him. Might be why gun sales are up lately?

While I think that bringing things like that up at the Chicago TSA meeting is probably not the most constructive way to argue with these people, I am of the opinion that most of the wiser folks I know DO see it that way. If you look at the historical progression of socialistic, or communistic revolution - peaceful OR violent, there are plenty of similar examples. The Hungarians actually had a LOT of history with that and may have a historically enlightened perspective there.
Frankly, if you go read the EAA comments (PDF link listed above) you will find some really amazing implications and possible consequences that they bring up. Especially the stuff about folks being denied travel rights and such and not having a way to defend themselves, or question the findings of the TSA officials. I know of GOOD folks who have a hard time traveling for no apparent reason except that somehow they are on the watch list. And it's not like they have some weird name, either.
No, the TSA is not quite dragging folks off at 3am as James mentions, but certainly moving us in a similar direction. I don't know of ANYONE at my airport that really cares for them, or thinks that they really could stop a serious terrorist. It's more about control and perception of safety for the general public. In my opinion they do FAR more to make life difficult for regular folks than they really do to prevent a serious threat. I DO think they stop some junior terrorist types, but frankly, if we had other of our rights still unimpeded, we could take care of them through other means.
Remember, the Gestapo didn't just persecute Jews. They controlled the German people as well.

Ryan

[Forgotten Field]

Well he should know better. While there's no argument this is very important, it's hardly arbitrary dragging people from their beds at 3am and sending them to death camps without trial, is it?

You know, you're right. That little Beer Hall Putsch in 1923 didn't lead to arbitrary dragging people from their beds at 3am and sending them to death camps without trial, did it? Oh, that's right. It did lead to death camps. Silly me....

And by the way, this country has drug plenty of people to camps. It doesn't matter that they are Arabs and other non-Americans. They are still people who should have due process, via all the constitutional enlightenment that American's have been fighting and dying for over the last two hundred years. If we're willing to subvert an ammendment here, a court decision there, why not lock up the airports like they are prisons anyway? We should all surrender- the terrorists have won...