The Movie Memphis Belle News?

CDF · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 5:30 pm

Well let me be the first to say....Attaboy...

gary1954 · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 7:34 pm

p51 wrote:

CDF wrote:

If thats the case you might want to edit your website. I see its got jeanette painted over the wheel arch like Mauldins Jeep

You really need to read more carefully before you post. The name on my Jeep is not Jeanie (which was Mauldin's first wife), it's on the opposite side of the vehicle, is painted in a different typeface, and - oh yeah- it's a totally different name (which you mispelled, by the way, that's my wife's name, which has the French spelling)
Yes, I did write that I might paint my Jeep like Mauldin's, but the difference is I HAVE PERMISSION from Mauldin's family to do so if I wish to someday! It'd never cross my mind to do without said permission as I've written extensively on Mauldin's life and work and consulted some museums and archives and done TV appearances talking about his life.

not meaning to urinate in anyone's bowl of corn flakes, but its a jeep, its a plane, its a tank, as long as you own it paint it any frickin way you want to.
Why TF would you require the Mauldin's family permission to trim your jeep like his, it was after all owned by the
the US Army.
Next thing ya know Boeing will be requiring royalties from every one that owns a flying machine either a museum piece or flyable that now falls under the Boeing umbrella.

p51 · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 9:39 pm

gary1954 wrote:

not meaning to urinate in anyone's bowl of corn flakes, but its a jeep, its a plane, its a tank, as long as you own it paint it any frickin way you want to.
Why TF would you require the Mauldin's family permission to trim your jeep like his, it was after all owned by the
the US Army.
Next thing ya know Boeing will be requiring royalties from every one that owns a flying machine either a museum piece or flyable that now falls under the Boeing umbrella.

I don't need permission to do anything, but it was a point of pride to discuss with a couple of members of Mauldin's family to see what they thought. Those I talked with loved the idea.
Still, if you have a specific artifact and there is someone out there with a full replica of it, you're going to get a lot of confusion. I know for sure that when the Belle was at Mud Island, they got people all the time arguing that this wasn't the real Belle because they saw it previously at some airshow, not knowing they saw the one from the movie instead and were too dumb to know the difference. Now, that's gotta get annoying when you get this a lot.
In the end, it's a free country. All I ever said was that I could see where the folks at Mud Island were coming from in a way. Others took that thought to strange new places.
But my question still stands; now that the USAF museum has the Belle, are they going to make a fuss and demand that the movie plane still keeps the word, "Movie" on it?

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 10:34 pm

wingman1 · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 10:42 pm

mustangdriver wrote:

CDF · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2012 11:03 pm

gary1954 wrote:

Why TF would you require the Mauldin's family permission to trim your jeep like his, it was after all owned by the the US Army. .

Attaboy answers that one himself

p51 wrote:

I've written extensively on Mauldin's life and work and consulted some museums and archives and done TV appearances talking about his life.

Its the $ angle, get endorsed by the estate, sell a few stamp sets, signed books on ebay, boost the resume like hes just done etc. Fine if your morally corrupt, less so for the rest. Pop Historians.

p51 wrote:

Others took that thought to strange new places.

Your the one that got caught out with the double standards, just take it on the double chin. WW2 Re-enacting per se is for the legion of Walter Mittys out there, but lets face it actively re-enacting a cartoonist / personality from the forties? Thats just plain odd :roll:

gary1954 · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 10:42 am

NMF on Everything :axe:

and be done wiff da confusion.........the NMUSAF will have to butt out of the paint scheme thing with the Memphis Belle impostor ....should they want to interject, then the Collins Foundation could naturally be required through some arm twisting litigation, to remove all that beautiful paint from 909 as it represents a real B-17 that was shot down during actual armed conflict and someone is "offended" because its like a ghost or something and they are haunted by the fact that 909 was actually shot down....but here it is on a ramp staring at them, daring them to pay money to fly in her......don't see it happening.

I will admit however that it would be nice and proper if the management/operators of the Memphis Belle impostor posted on their information about their particular airframe, that it is a replica of the original on display at the National Museum of the US Air Force.

Personally I don't care how they have her painted, h e l l s bells, paint her up as a formation ship with poka dots....*hands in the air* ...don't care...I just want to see them, touch them, hear those radials cough to life...climb aboard and drink in that smell of an airplane...and when I have done all that, drop my fat a double s in the shade under her wing and relax, reflect on the crews that these types of machines carried into harms way and simply wonder what its like to strap one of these babys on......

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mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 12:56 pm

gary1954 wrote:

:axe: NMF on Everything :axe:

and be done wiff da confusion.........the NMUSAF will have to butt out of the paint scheme thing with the Memphis Belle impostor ....should they want to interject, then the Collins Foundation could naturally be required through some arm twisting litigation, to remove all that beautiful paint from 909 as it represents a real B-17 that was shot down during actual armed conflict and someone is "offended" because its like a ghost or something and they are haunted by the fact that 909 was actually shot down....but here it is on a ramp staring at them, daring them to pay money to fly in her......don't see it happening.

I will admit however that it would be nice and proper if the management/operators of the Memphis Belle impostor posted on their information about their particular airframe, that it is a replica of the original on display at the National Museum of the US Air Force.

Personally I don't care how they have her painted, h e l l s bells, paint her up as a formation ship with poka dots....*hands in the air* ...don't care...I just want to see them, touch them, hear those radials cough to life...climb aboard and drink in that smell of an airplane...and when I have done all that, drop my fat a double s in the shade under her wing and relax, reflect on the crews that these types of machines carried into harms way and simply wonder what its like to strap one of these babys on......

Gary, re-read page one of this thread. The MARC B-17 folks entered an agreement with the MBMA. They went back on the agreement. That is where the trouble lies. Amazing that no one wants to place blame on where it belongs.

Also 909 was not shot down. She returned to the states.

We keep touching on the Belle. What about other nose art. What if I want to restore a B-17 and paint it as Texas Raiders. Oh that's right, I'll be sued. You can't even take a picture of the nose art in Midland because it is copyrighted by the CAF. Says so right on the door to the gallery. But no one seems to care to touch on that, only that the NMUSAF called someone out for not honoring a deal with a smaller group.

As someone that works on a static B-17 "Miss Liberty Belle" I can tell you that it sucks having other aircraft with similar or same names. it takes away from your project. When we went to Oshkosh with the tail stinger of ours for display, many thought it was the tail from Liberty Belle (the one with the fire). So we had to be sure to tell them the story of the real Miss Liberty Belle and the 8 men that gave their lives in it. Then Barksdale paints their aircraft up as, you guessed it "Miss Liberty Belle".

So what is worse that a group went back on what they told the MBMA they would do, or the NMUSAF holding them to it.

Django · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 4:26 pm

So let's get this straight here. There is Miss Liberty... Miss Liberty Belle... and Liberty Belle. Now that's confusing! Almost as confusing as there being 2 Memphis Belles!

K5DH · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 5:42 pm

I'm not a moderator on this board, BUT. . .

There are some posts in this thread that are very near to being personal attacks, and that's something that isn't permitted on WIX. Please, folks, let's be civil and keep it on-topic, before the real mods lock this otherwise interesting thread. Please?

Rocketeer · **Joined:** Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:16 pm **Posts:** 195

Anyone have any great air to air photos of N3703G?

maxum96 · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 6:00 pm

mustangdriver wrote:

Quick! Mods! Ban Mustangdriver before he can post something like that again and cause us all to gouge our eyes out!!!!!!!!!

BTW, is that you Chris with really short hair?? :lol:

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 6:20 pm

HAHA! Glad you like my new haircut. :lol:

p51 · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 6:29 pm

CDF wrote:

gary1954 wrote:

Why TF would you require the Mauldin's family permission to trim your jeep like his, it was after all owned by the the US Army. .

Attaboy answers that one himself

p51 wrote:

I've written extensively on Mauldin's life and work and consulted some museums and archives and done TV appearances talking about his life.

Its the $ angle, get endorsed by the estate, sell a few stamp sets, signed books on ebay, boost the resume like hes just done etc. Fine if your morally corrupt, less so for the rest. Pop Historians.

p51 wrote:

Others took that thought to strange new places.

Your the one that got caught out with the double standards, just take it on the double chin. WW2 Re-enacting per se is for the legion of Walter Mittys out there, but lets face it actively re-enacting a cartoonist / personality from the forties? Thats just plain odd :roll:

I don't "re-enact" Bill Mualdin at all. I don't do anything to gain money from the name at all, haven't gotten money for it at all from doing so. It's a subject I have a deep interest for, and that's all it is.
Besides, this all came from my saying I understand why SOME people would take issue with a vet B-17 having the same paint jon as a copy of it on the air show circuit and cofusing the public, that's all that was. But since somehow my own Jeep got into the subject, there's a huge difference in that Mauldin's issued Jeep is not known to exist today and if it still does, nobody knows which one it might be. It's not sitting in a museum right now and I'm pondering MAYBE painting mine to look like it. If it existed today, I'd never dream of copying it. That's a personal opinion. If you have a problem with that, well, that's just tough for you.
I really don't know what kind of personal issue you have about me, but it really doesn't belong on a public forum.

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