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Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:48 pm

David_Aiken wrote:
Eureka181 wrote:Well, what can I say. I admit I am not an engine historian, but the Sakae is basically the same engine as the R-1830.

Eric


To say basically be wary. The two are NOT.

The DC-3 engine is NOT the same as the Zero... gomen nasai.

Looks deceive the clouded understanding.

The CAF Zero engine is a larger diameter than the original Zero cowling, so a modified cowling had to be made....not to mention the internal differences...which makes Japanese 1940 technical ability to be admired.

NO, the Zero engine is NOT a direct copy of any US design...yet, both engines are copies of previous lineages of engines which meet in the 1920s.
Cheers,
David


I just want to make sure that we are talking about the same Zero. The Zero I was talking about was the CAF A6M3, I am not talking about the CAF A6M2, which is for sale. It seems you were talking about the A6M2.

I never said the Sakae engine was a exact copy down to the nuts and bolts. I know there are some differences. What I was trying to say when I talked about the engine was that it is a very similar engine and the Japanese used the 1830 along with various other engines to get ideas to produce the Sakae. Most people seem to think that our Zero is "fake" since it has a R-1830 in it, but that is not true. The R-1830 is a very close engine to the Sakae, I have confirmed this myself.

Our A6M3 which was restored by Flight Magic Inc, had a R-1830 installed instead of its original engine. The original cowling had to be modified only a small amount to handle the R-1830.

Eric

Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:21 am

Hi Eric,
Sorry (gomen nasai), yes...the A6M3 engine is bigger in diameter. I see that while we were speaking of 'fruit trees, I was thinking apples and you were speaking about oranges'. Common problem. Now I am on the same page with you. Again, sorry.

"Spoke by e-mail" with Randy Wilson last night, he is probably the last to fly the CAF Zero. He said that in May 1996 after a test flight at Breckenridge, TX, he flew the plane to Mohave, CA to a temporary home. In September that year, he made a local flight to have photos made then flew the plane to Mesa, AZ, while there flap and hydraulics issues fixed...then to Midland, Texas. After the exhibit at the CAF HQ Airshow, he flew it back to Mohave in Mid Oct. On 2 Sep 1997, Randy made the final flight to Camarillo, Ca for the yearly inspection by So. Calif. Wing. The Wing did wonders on fixing what they could in the tail and elsewhere, the rebuild of the wings required, as noted, approx. $100,000+.

Now the elected SALE. sigh.
Cheers,
David Aiken

Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:45 pm

Is the A6M3 David Price's?

Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:36 pm

Yes, that A6M3 used to belong to David Price with the Museum of Flying.

The CAF is selling it's A6M2 Zero. And has bought David Price's A6M3 Zero.

Eric
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