A few new PB4Y-2 pics

[jdvoss]

The above referenced photo of the Privateer illustrated in both Doll's and Larkin's book is a full fledged PB4Y-2. It is characterized by a Erco nose turret, Erco waist turrets, Martin top-turret, Motor Products tail turret, tri-color paint scheme and the word MARINES painted on the vertical tail.

Can anyone reach Mr. Doll? Perhaps he could post the photo.

[billtate]

Visited the NMNA museum today and they have done more work on the PB2Y-2 Privateer’s ERCO turrets. The people at the museum say they need any ERCO turret parts that anyone is willing to give up. Still no funds for the re-paint of the aircraft; so NO NOSE ART yet. Here are a few pictures of the Browning M2 .50 caliber machine guns installed in an ERCO waist blister. Man those gunners had to be small in stature.
Cheers

[billtate]

Django said

After a few phone calls with Bill and Hal Olsen ( ), I just sent an email off to the NNAM urging them to consider getting Hal Olsen involved in their PB4Y-2 restoration project. If anyone else is so inclined, I'm sure it would help to get their attention

ACarey and a few others were also inclined to send in emails.
I got a response yesterday from Hill Goodspeed at the NNAM.
See below:
"Thank you for your email regarding nose art on the PB4Y-2 Privateer displayed here at the museum. As you mention, the aircraft is currently in rework and though there are no current plans to add nose art to it, the museum director will make a final determination when the rework is nearing completion. Thank you for your support of the museum and your service in the Navy."
At least they are going to think about. So, keep those emails going if you also support some kind of nose art for the NNAM’s Privateer.

[seaknight15]

Django, here is a list of Privateer nose art that Hal Olson can remember that he did while on Tinian 1944-46.
There may be more but I am pretty sure that these forty-one are his. I to hope that Hal Olson will be able to paint some nose art on the NMNA's Privateer.



PB4Y-1P pin-up in sailor suit "TOURIST" VD-1
PB4Y-2 pin-up "ABROAD FOR ACTION" VPB-121
PB4Y-2 pin-up "ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE" VPB-108
PB4Y-2 pin-up "ANCHORS AWAY" VPB-108
PB4Y-1 pin-up with umbrella "BEACHCOMBER" (The Lone Wolf) Murray VPB-102
PB4Y-2 nude "BLIND BOMBER" VPB-109
PB4Y-2 pin-up "BLUE DIAMOND" VPB-106
PB4Y-1 pin-up "BOSS BURTON'S NITEMARE" VPB-102
PB4Y-1 pin-up "CALL HOUSE MADAM" VPB-116
PB4Y-2 Milt Caniff Dragon Lady "COVER GIRL" VPB-116
PB4Y-1 pin-up "DOC'S DELIGHT" VPB-111 & VPB-117/106
PB4Y-1 pin-up & ship kills "EASY MAID" VPB-116
PB4Y-2 pin-up "GREEN CHERRIES" VPB-109
PB4Y-2 nude running/ panther "Hippin Kitten II" VPB-108
PB4Y-2 indian girl "INDIAN MADE" VPB-106
PB4Y-2 pin-up in nightie "LA CHERIE" VPB-108 & VPB-121
PB4Y-2 pin-up "LADY LUCK II" VPB-108
PB4Y-2 pin-up "LADY LUCK III" VPB-108
PB4Y-2 pin-up in grass skirt "MISS LOTTATAIL" VPB-118
PB4Y-2 pin-up "MISS PANDEMONIUM" VPB-124
PB4Y-2 pin-up & six kills "MISS SEA-DUCER" VPB-116
PB4Y-1 pin-up "MODEST MISS" VPB-111
PB4Y-2 nude "MODEST O' MISS II" ` VPB-118
PB4Y-2 nude "MODEST O' MISS" VPB-118
PB4Y-2 pin-up with torch "NAVY'S TORCHY TESS" VPB-118
PB4Y-2 pin-up sitting "NO STRAIN III" VPB-124
PB4Y-2 pin-up "NOBODY ELSE'S BUTT" VPB-123
PB4Y-2 pin-up "PEACE FEELER" VPB-116
PB4Y-2 flat chested nude "PIRATE QUEEN" VPB-118
PB4Y-2 cow girl pin-up "PISTOL PACKIN' MAMA III" VPB-121
PB4Y-2 pin-up reclining/pillow "PUNKIE" VPB-109
PB4Y-2 pin-up "SLEEPY TIME GAL" VPB-118
PB4Y-1 pin-up "SLEEPYTIME GAL" VPB-116/VD-5
PB4Y-1 pin-up "STATESIDE STRUCTURE" VPB-116
PB4Y-2 indian girl running "TAIL CHASER" VPB-121
PB4Y-2 pin-up "TWITCHY BITCH" VPB-118
PB4Y-2 pin-up "VAGRANT VIRAGO" VPB-123
PB4Y-1P pin-up "WILD CHERRY II" VD-1
PB4Y-2 pin-up in sailor hat "Naval Body" VPB-121
PB4Y-2 pin-up in sailor hat "La Cherrie" VPB-123

He also did my dads plane PB4Y-1 THE LADY a dog by a fire hydrant VPB-102, I'll find a pic and I have a pic of Hal also.

[Django]

Looking forward to the pics Seaknight.

Bill, what email did you write to? I never heard a peep back from them.

[Pogo]

Man those gunners had to be small in stature.

Boy, you ain't kidding about that! I have tried each of the PB4Y turrets on for size at LSFM, and could baaarely squeeze my big @$$ in -- all 5'-5" x 160 lbs of me! The worst of them was the Erco nose ball; you need a hinge in your spine for it to work......

Y'all be sure to take lots of pictures of those waist blister while you still can. After the last flurry of posts on this thread I went to LSFM specifically to get pics of theirs as installed, and it's simply too dang tight to get more than just a portion of anything in any one frame. They all came out so bad I never even tried to clean 'em up and post.

[billtate]

Seaknight15 wrote:

He also did my dads plane PB4Y-1 THE LADY a dog by a fire hydrant VPB-102, I'll find a pic and I have a pic of Hal also.

Yes, Seaknight I too am looking forward to seeing the "The Lady", Liberator and the pictures of Hal.
Django I will forward you the email address when I get home via PM.
Cheers Bill

[billtate]

Work is progressing slowly on the PB4Y-2 at the NNAM but the staff has done a great job on the tail turret.

[PJ]

Just the tail of this one showing.




PJ
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[airnutz]

I got a response yesterday from Hill Goodspeed at the NNAM.
See below:
"Thank you for your email regarding nose art on the PB4Y-2 Privateer displayed here at the museum. As you mention, the aircraft is currently in rework and though there are no current plans to add nose art to it, the museum director will make a final determination when the rework is nearing completion."
At least they are going to think about it.

(Snort...spewing coffee on computer! ) Well I hope Mr. Olsen is still with us by the time NNAM makes up their mind.

[Django]

I just sent another email to the Museum, so let's see if they ignore me for a third time...

[Canso42]

I had the same experience as Pogo at LSFM. I was told to stay out of the waist turrets, the tail turret looks like it was made for someone four feet tall and I couldnt get the nose turret door open. The top turrets are still sitting on stands on the floor and I haven't messed with them since I cant fit in a Martin turret anyway.


I think every type of bomber that served in WWII had at least one example named "Pistol Packin' Mama."

[C VEICH]

I shot this one from across the ramp as we were leaving Casa Grande last weekend. This thing restored to military configuration and operating in dark blue Navy paint would be spectacular.

[Warbird Kid]

This thing restored to military configuration and operating in dark blue Navy paint would be spectacular.

Ah yes it would, but the question is, would you replace the installed B-25 2600's for the less powerful 1830's that she had on during the war? A sacrifice of power for authenticity. Not to mention installing the Bombay again. Anyone have any photos of the inside of one of the fire bombers? Is the bombay still installed? Just covered over? Or will they need to put the plane in a jig and essentially install a new bombay in? Similar as to what the CAF will have to do to finally make there B-24 a full B-24.

[C VEICH]

This thing restored to military configuration and operating in dark blue Navy paint would be spectacular.

Ah yes it would, but the question is, would you replace the installed B-25 2600's for the less powerful 1830's that she had on during the war? .

I probably would put the 1830's back on were it mine to do with what I please. I'm guessing (and only guessing mind you) that at the reduced weights that it would be operating at compared to full combat configuration the 1830's would provide adequate power.