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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:52 pm 
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I thought my drive home from work at lunch was bad, but, this takes the cake

from the local TV news channel, passengers aboard an AA flight headed to KMIA, have been stranded on the KDEN tarmac for over 8 hours, apparently, the a/c got stuck during the push back. TV reporters have been communicating with a guy on board, he is pretty humorous.

Airport also reports 5 to 6 other a/c in similiar situation, with passengers stuck about the airport. People can't get from the airport to hotels, last time this happened was the Blizzard in 2003.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:03 pm 
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I was at DIA yesterday for a 2:29 flight. I was one of the lucky ones who got a bus to Aspen about 6pm and was here by 10:30pm as the roads were still ok. It has snowed all day today in Aspen and I hoped to ski in the morning. Aren't you glad that wimp Pena got the in town airport closed and moved 15 miles out of town?

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Hi Warren, long time no talk.

Trust me, their day was nothing like the fatal crash we had here the other day into a waste treatment plant. They are just getting the bodies of these three souls removed today.

Talk to ya later...............Roger

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GILROY
3 aboard plane that crashed into sewage tank
Flight instructor and students from Japan apparently killed in odd, unexplained accident
John Coté, Marisa Lagos, Chronicle Staff Writers

Wednesday, December 20, 2006


A salvage crew today is expected to lift the remains of a small plane that crashed into a massive raw sewage tank in Gilroy so that coroner's officials can remove the three bodies inside the crumpled aircraft.

The plane appeared to fall from the sky in a tailspin Monday afternoon, witnesses and authorities said, but efforts to determine the cause of the crash and confirm who was onboard have been hampered by the bizarre crash site at the South County Regional Wastewater Authority treatment plant.

Vicki Gonzales, office manager of Nice Air flight school in San Jose, said one of the school's flight instructors and two students, all Japanese nationals, died in the crash.

Gonzales identified the instructor as Shoki Haraguchi and the two students as Yoshiyuki Kato and Yasushi Miyata. Kato and Miyata were in the country to take a pilot course from Nice Air, company operations director Hiro Takai said.

School officials don't know who was piloting the plane when it went down, Gonzales said.

The United States -- and particularly mild climate states like California, Arizona and Texas -- is a destination for international flight students because it offers several small-plane manufacturers, a relatively large general aviation community and cheaper aviation fuel, parts and hangar fees, Takai said.

Gilroy police Sgt. Kurt Svardal said officials are considering using a crane or helicopter to remove the plane. Once it's on the ground, the bodies will be retrieved, and autopsies will be performed to determine the cause of death.

On Tuesday, workers drained raw sewage from the 600,000-gallon tank to expose the plane, which had one wing sheared completely off, apparently from hitting a concrete divider within the tank.

After the plane was exposed at the bottom of the 20-foot tank, the surface was deemed too slippery and dangerous to safely remove the bodies, Svardal said.

"They have to figure out how to get it out of there," he said.

Gilroy resident John Dryden, 43, said he was outside a friend's house on Monday when he looked up and saw the plane plummeting from the sky at about 4 p.m.

"It was vertically straight, swirling maybe five, six, times, then it disappeared out of our sight," Dryden said. "It was a matter of seconds ... not even 10 seconds, and it was out of my sight. There was no smoke, no sound, nothing -- it just went straight down."

He called 911, then drove over to the area with his friend but couldn't find anything, he said.

The twin-engine plane, a Beechcraft Travel Air, had departed the Reid-Hillview Airport in San Jose at 1 p.m. Monday and about three hours later crashed at the treatment plant, located in south Gilroy south of Highway 152.

There are no airfields or landing strips near the sewage treatment plant, Gilroy authorities said.

The flight school reported the craft missing after it failed to return to the airport as scheduled at 5 p.m.

Local authorities, who had received the 911 calls from several witnesses, began searching and eventually spotted a portion of the plane from a helicopter, Svardal said.

Workers at the treatment plant had heard a crash but could not see the plane over the raised walls of the sewage tank, Svardal said.

Officials found a flight log and a Japanese passport near the wreckage.

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OK...I'm gonna' show my ignorance again. Having been in the airline biz for 34 years, I'm not unfamiliar with airport codes BUT...I've never heard the designations with a "K" in front of them. What's the significance of that letter?

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The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) 4-letter airport indentifier codes uniquely identify individual airports worldwide. They are used in flight plans to indicate departure, destination and alternate airfields, as well as in other professional aviation publications.

Usually the first two letters of ICAO codes identify the country. In the continental USA, however, codes normally consist of a 'K' followed by the airport's 3-letter IATA code.

http://www.airport-technology.com/icao%2Dcodes/

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And further to the response from Pete:

"The ICAO identifier prefixes a "K" in front of the 3-letter IATA code for contiguous US states. However, for Alaska sites, a "PA" is prefixed, for Hawaii a "PH" is prefixed and for Guam a "PG" is prefixed. In order to retain 4 characters, for Alaska, Hawaii and Guam one of the 3 letters of the site identifier is truncated."

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When we went by KDEN today around 1230, it was 100' with a 1/4 mile Vis, blowing snow, freezing Fog with 1/4' of ice on the ground :shock:

We kept going :roll:

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Mudge wrote:
OK...I'm gonna' show my ignorance again. Having been in the airline biz for 34 years, I'm not unfamiliar with airport codes BUT...I've never heard the designations with a "K" in front of them. What's the significance of that letter?

Mudge the curious :?


KDEN - is the four letter ICAO Code for Denver and the code your probably use to is "DEN" which is the three letter IATA code used by airlines (domestic flight plans)

"K" is the prefix designator assigned for the US, the 48 States are further broken into sub areas K2, K3, etc. However "PA" is used for Alaska and PH for Hawaii, each ICAO State has a unique code. LF - France, EG - England, SB - Brazil. etc. ICAO codes are used for international flight plan filing


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Lynn Allen wrote:
When we went by KDEN today around 1230, it was 100' with a 1/4 mile Vis, blowing snow, freezing Fog with 1/4' of ice on the ground :shock:

We kept going :roll:

Lynn


Smart move, you would have been stuck here with limited options, its still snowing.

I think Greeley has the most snow so far 19", I think the numbers are conservative, we have some drifts over 5 feet in our area. I am just glad I am not the de-iceman at DEN, they'll be plenty busy tomorrow.


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My neighbor / good friend is a FedEx captain and is stranded in
Denver (he's not a happy camper, but at least he's in a hotel
room as opposed to camping out in the terminal....).

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Yep, the ICAO prefix. Right up there with ISO9000(1).


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OK...now I've been educated. Still IMHO, it's 4 where 3 would suffice. I'd be willing to bet that 99.99% of the pilots who have to use the 4 letter codes would recognize any 3 letter code. If a pilot is going to fly from London to Miami, I'm pretty sure he/she'd know what country they were in prior to pointing that plane down the runway.

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Mudge, I'm sure that's what Douglas ( Wrong Way ) Corrigan thought too ! :?


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Mudge you subversive! You should know better than to use logic in anything involving a govt agency or tecno-geeks, especially international ones. Probabaly 90% of general aviation is in the US but we had to change our airport id if we use a modern avionics gizmo. I used to use a simple Apollo Loran in my T-34 and you just put in ASE or OSH. Now I have big shot King Allied loran and it needs a K in front to work, KASE. The airport is still ASE, but the machine can't figure that out without the K. An exception is numbers so Boulder id 1V5, not K1V5.

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Lynn, you could have done a touch and go to stay current on actual approaches. I'm pretty sure you would hav been number 1 on final. Hey, there's lot's of runways at DIA, you're bound to find one of them. Best decisions I've made in a long time was to get that last seat on the bus out Tue eve.

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