Impounded A-4 Skyhawks

Don Martin · **Posted:** Mon May 14, 2007 7:14 pm

Does anyone know the name of the outfit that is flying civil registered Skyhawks? I've got a pair of them sitting on the GA ramp out to BIA, awaiting customs clearence(still) I know the logo is something like ASTI or ATSI or ATGI............Of course I did take some nice closeups, but, being the Dinosaur that I am, I haven't got the film developed yet......................
Nice looking birds, though. Ones is painted overall ghost gray, the other has a SE Asia-type camo scheme, and triple long-range tanks on both.

If you go to Google Earth and put in these Coordinates I think these are the same airplanes at Williams Gateway Airport in AZ.
Latitude: 33.30328000
Longitude: -111.66916100
If not it's still a neat shot!:roll:

Found them here
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/23752/
And just north of the runway is a nice ariel of a KC-135 AND it's shadow!

Vulture · **Joined:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:44 pm **Posts:** 202

From what I understand (please do NOT take it as fact). The A-4s belong to BAE now. From what I gather is that BAE bought the aircraft to suppliment / replace current A-4s in Germany. The A-4s were bought by a company called ATSI (advanced training systems international). The ATSI group is (was) based at Williams. From RUMOUR, the A-4s are all up forsale as the company does not have any work. I have been advised that DAVID TALLICHET has a few A-4s being refurbished by Sabreliner and is spending a fortune. The A-4s are registered to a company (owned by Tallichet) called A4L LLC. The rumour has it that these 6 are to be converted to TA-4 aircraft and flown on contract with the company in the east that has Mirage aircraft (Kfir).

Cheers

V

ATSI
http://www.atsifightertraining.com/[/url]

Vulture · **Joined:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:44 pm **Posts:** 202

Quote:

US steps up scrutiny of BAE case
Financial Times

Updated: 10:40 a.m. ET May 8, 2007
Congress is stepping up its scrutiny of the UK government's move to halt a bribery investigation into BAE as the British company increases its US profile with the $4.1bn purchase of Armor Holdings.

The deal – for the biggest maker of armour for Humvee transport vehicles – cements BAE's status as the Pentagon's largest foreign contractor.

Washington issued a formal protest in January after the UK Serious Fraud Office prematurely terminated an investigation into allegations that BAE might have bribed officials in Saudi Arabia to secure defence contracts.

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Several congressional aides said the House and Senate foreign relations committees wanted the administration to explain its concerns before they approved pending BAE-related arms deals. The state department is expected to brief the committees this week.

"There is concern now that knowledge of the démarche has been made public about how to view exports involving BAE," said a senior Senate aide.

The arms deals affected by the congressional scrutiny include a proposal by Mojave, a BAE business unit, to transfer two A-4N Skyhawk aircraft to the German air force.

Other transactions include a technical assistance agreement to upgrade systems on Australian F/A-18 fighter jets, and an agreement between BAE and some Japanese companies to make IFF transponders.

Congressional scrutiny could lead the administration to take a closer look at bribery allegations in national security reviews.

Those concerns could emerge in any review of BAE's acquisition of Armor Holdings. The conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan have highlighted the crucial role played by armoured vehicles in coping with insurgents. The US government is planning to spend about $10bn on vehicle programmes in the next few years.

But Walt Havenstein, BAE's US chief executive, said he was confident the deal would not be scuppered by regulatory concerns. "I neither know of, nor expect, any issues associated with this acquisition," said Mr Havenstein.

A BAE spokeswoman added: "We are unaware of any intention on behalf of either the House or Senate to hold up any of our business transactions."

BAE said it would help finance the $4.1bn acquisition, which includes the assumption of $388m of debt, through a £750m share placing.

Copyright The Financial Times Ltd. All rights reserved.

Don Martin · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 9:27 pm

VERY INTERESTING!!!!! The two errant airplanes vacated the area, I'm guessing, Monday overnight as I saw them in the early evening and they were gone in the am. Also heard something late in the evening that could have been, but, too dark to see, of course!

RickH · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 11:06 pm

Not sure about the Tallichet connection on the 6 A-4Ls. Bob Snyder is the guy that is working these. They are six of the former Maylaysian spares that were in the Tucson yard for so long. Aero Turbine is redoing the J-65s for these aircraft.

AirJimL2 · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2007 6:20 am

RickH wrote:

Not sure about the Tallichet connection on the 6 A-4Ls.

Take a look at:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=130AT

and

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=132AT

Same address and interestingly that address does belong to Tallichet.

Jim

RickH · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2007 6:38 am

Jim, not questioning if Tallichet has a couple of Skyhawks. I was questioning the comment regarding the six jets being worked at Saberliner being his. I know that Bob Snyder is certainly the point guy on those and haven't ever heard that Tallichet was involved with those six currently in St Louis.

The "Viet Nam Camo" mentioned in the original post is actually Israeli AF camo. These aircraft are all ex IAF they were brought back to flying status in Israel by the very capable Safe Air guys from NZ.

AirJimL2 · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2007 8:17 am

RickH wrote:

Jim, not questioning if Tallichet has a couple of Skyhawks. I was questioning the comment regarding the six jets being worked at Saberliner being his. I know that Bob Snyder is certainly the point guy on those and haven't ever heard that Tallichet was involved with those six currently in St Louis.

Rick,

And I'm sure you know more then I do, but seven jets are registered to A-4L LLC whose mailing address with both the FAA and the Calif. Secretary of State is Tallichet's.

Jim

Vulture · **Joined:** Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:44 pm **Posts:** 202

Registered Owner ON THE FAA SITE

Name MILITARY AIRCRAFT RESTORATION CORP (THIS IS TALLICHET)
Street 8191 E KAISER BLVD
City ANAHEIM State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 92808-2214
County ORANGE
Country UNITED STATES

aerovet1954 · **Posted:** Thu May 17, 2007 3:38 pm

FYI:

On May 16, two aircraft were seen at Keflavik by one of our editors:

N268WL (grey)
N262WL (IAF camo)

Greetz
Aerovet
Scramble warbird editor

Don Martin · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 8:22 pm

Sounds like the same N-numbers to me.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 8:40 pm

So is the government better about the A-4, or are the considering the same as the Tomcat?

RickH · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 8:58 pm

Same,same

Tactical, turbine says it all. They aren't quite as anal about the A-4 because the Iranians don't have them.

They still won't let the Kiwi A-4s back into the U.S.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 9:01 pm

What is really dumb about it is that a terrorist is not going to get an A-4 to do anything with.

RickH · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2007 9:16 pm

I made that vey point to US Navy lawyer right after 9-11. He stated in an official letter that the Navy was understandably nervous about turning a tactical jet aircraft over to a civilian organization in light of what happened on 9-11.

I was insulted and outraged by his assinine comment !

What he thought didn't matter though, the legislation had been signed into public law, they were trying to close the barn door loooonnnnggg after the horse had gotten out !

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