Warbird Information Exchange

Last round of my pics from Chino... Not too much different than SAT.

http://picasaweb.google.com/dtlinn/Chino2007SUN

Great show.

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Well done Dan and thanks for sharing them. Did you take your 170 out there? Where were you shooting from?

TIA,

Lynn

My guess is from the tower attached to the hangar pictured in the background:

http://lh5.google.com/image/dtlinn/RlEB ... G_1203.jpg

Thanks Lynn... ah no... took AA into ONT.

Brandon... very good! Yep... I was on Les's deck just below the tower. Worked out great for photos!

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That Electra Junior sure is pretty. I love those Lockheed twins.

Thanks, that what I thought, flying out there in a 170 would be a career move.... Great photo's..

Lynn

Danny boy the CAFs Zero is NOT a replica. Where did you get that idea?

Dan

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Not quite a replica, more a 'new build'!

Whatever, it certainly looked nice.

Those are some great pictures. It must have been great to see those three P-38's flying by all at once.

Now, that Zero... So it's not a replica, but more of a new build How's that all work?

Cheers,

David

Our web site might provide some answers.

http://www.orgsites.com/ca/cafsocalphoto/_pgg6.php3

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This is one of 3 (re)built in Russia some 10 years or so back from recovered wrecks from Indonesia. This one was the first of the 3, and apparently used most of the good 'Japanese' bits, being used as patterns for the other 2. With the original Zero airframes being very prone to corrosion, these airframes are basically 'new-build' with US engines (R-1830) using the identities of the recovered wrecks.

It does look and sound very nice, though it's just not as original as the Chino-based example. However, it is a much more practical proposition to operate on a regular basis for airshow work, with a US engine and more 'Americanized' systems.

People also need to keep in mind that the Sakae engine is a license copy of the Pratt and Whitney with some tweaking anyway.

Great! Thank you everyone for your information. I suppose it's a lot like many warbird restorations these days then, that almost completely rebuild every item on the airframe.

I didn't know that the Zero engine was a license built copy of a P&W. Pretty cool.

Thanks again,

David

Yep, the Japanese bought the license to build them in 1937 after their license copies of the Gnome-Rhone engines had troubles. They tweaked them a bit to get some more horsepower out of them, but like most high performance engines, when you start to tweak them, you start getting into potential trouble.

The first sakae engines made with the Pratt and Whitney design was so close, they had the Pratt and Whitney eagle on them!

i see that ww11 propogander is still alive ,the sakea is not a licenced pw r1830(these were used in transports iirc like the l2d series of licenced dc3's) the sakea was only 1700 ci the pw was 1830 ci also the most powerful sakea was only 1150hp most r 1830's were around the 1200hp the first zero's and ki 43's had only 950hp.
so if you tweek motor's even with reliabilty problem's why would you lose power (the zero's flying with r1830's also have there cowls remade to fit the slightly larger engine's)