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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:53 am 
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Any chance of recovering this airplane?

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Hey Nathan,

I'd say yes, but that is before I have looked at any facts or history about the "ditching." I'm going to start assuming things now...

I'll assume that since the words "ditched" were used, that meant the airplane was put into the water in a semi-controlled fashion, meaning that it probably did not sustain total and utter structural failure on impact. I assume that the ditching allowed for the crew to escape, which means the impact on the water was not enough to kill them, therefore the airplane is in decent condition still.

Then again, is the lake a bottomless pit? I wonder how deep it is?

Assuming everything as is, I'd say it is recoverable.

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Found this on the net the lake is only 52 feet deep at the deepest point and 2800 acres

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I fly over Diamond Lake fairly often and I've never seen any sign of the 4Y.As cg51 pointed out,the lake is only 52.5 ft at its deepest point and covers 2824 acres.The vertical visibility in the lake is advertised as 25-30 ft.I would imagine that the remains were removed long ago,but I'll ask around in Medford.


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I think that you might find an answer on the WIX board.

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Nathan wrote:
Any chance of recovering this airplane?

There is always a chance... but is it worth it.
Looks like this one wasn't as they pulled it out and cut it up.

This one was ditched.
http://www.museumofflight.org/Collection/Aircraft.asp?RecordKey=0A8C10AD-76F7-4B02-9A61-BE141A3B0B61
And it came back from the dead. Of course the lake average depth is only 108 ft deep.

So I guess if there is a will, there is a way.


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Tanker 85: No, this is not an early version of a "water-scooper" air tanker. This event occurred in the mid 1970's. Tanker 85 was dispatched from Medford, OR to a fire on the Deschutes N.F. in central Oregon. Tanker 85 made an initial trip, dropped its load, and then returned to Medford for a second load. The pilot "thought" he had enough fuel for a second trip so he didn't bother to refuel. On the second trip he was held up over the fire longer than he anticipated, finally dropped his load and then ran out of fuel on the way back to Medford. He managed to make a perfect, "dead-stick" landing in Diamond Lake near the crest of the Cascades (note Mt. Thielsen in the background). You can see how well an air tanker can float when it has empty fuel and retardant tanks!

To get the plane out of the lake they floated it close to shore and wrapped cables around both wings. The cables were attached to a D-8 Cat to drag the plane onto the shore. Needless to say, once tension was applied, the cables promptly sliced both wings off! That made the plane much easier to remove.

There's more to the story. When the plane was coming in to Diamond Lake the engines were off so they made no noise. Just as the pilot was setting down he noticed an older couple fishing in a rowboat directly in front of where he planned to splash down. The pilot was able to have enough lift/speed to "hop" over the couple by about 50 feet. The couple made a very hasty trip to shore. This incident was used in one of the opening scenes in the movie Always. As old pilots are fond of saying "Any landing you can walk....er, swim away from is a good landing." Photos compliments of AK Old Timer




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The PB4Y (and B-24) didn't have conventional fuel gauges mounted in the instrument panel like "normal" airplanes.The flight engineer had to manually connect lines from different fuel tanks to glass sight tubes to try to figure out the level in those tanks.The PB4Y-2 flight manual warns that accurate readings are only possible when the inclinometer mounted near the sight tube has its bubble centered.This system seems to be unique to Convair,at least on "modern' airplanes.PBY's also had a version of the sight tube system in the engineer position in the tower below the wing.

I just asked Gene Teske,who flew PB4Y tankers if they had fuel gauges installed.He said that they had the sight tubes and the best way to keep track of fuel was with the dip stick and your watch.


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