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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:39 am 
Folks here is a movie we may of heard about - Yamato.. has alot of flying scences in it .. TBM and i swear a P-47?

Wonder where they got them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUl1mAjTTb0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-FaVVtj ... ed&search=


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Looks like models to me


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There are definitely P-47, F6F and TBM models in the film!
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I noticed a few SB2Cs as well. Definately a combination of models and CGI..not bad work. Looks like they built a fairly large-scale mock-up of the ship. I saw the P-47 as well..not sure what it was doing there. Were there any t-bolts involved in the actual attack?

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great footage, but the casualties are rather graphic, as they should be. what's dumb is the aiming of 18 inch diameter guns at moving attacking aircraft. oh well....... that's show biz!!!

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is this an american made movie?? & when is it's release??

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tom looking at the utube title i assume it's japanese made,i also wondered about the using of the 18 inch guns but as you said thats the movie business


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Just thought I'd have a quick look on Wikipedia:

A couple of interesting things - the 18 inch guns were used against the a/c:
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Yamato fired beehive shells (三式燃散弾, san-shiki shosan dan?) from her main guns against the US planes. Each of these anti-aircraft shells contained thousands of pellets that would be scattered upon explosion - anologous to a massive shotgun bullet. However, the beehive shells were ineffective against the incoming US planes, and performed little more than pyrotechnic displays. Strafing attacks by the US warplanes would deciminate many of the AA gun crews, reducing the battleship's ability to fend off the attacking US aircraft.


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The nine 460 mm main battery were the largest ever fielded at sea, a major technological challenge to construct and operate. Their successful implementation in the Yamato class constitutes a major achievement on the part of Japanese naval constructors. The exponentially higher blast effect of the main armament prevented the stowage of boats on deck or the stationing of unshielded personnel in combat. As a result, all anti-aircraft positions (even the smallest) were enclosed in blast shields as designed. Later in their career the anti-aircraft armament of both ships were considerably augmented by open positions of both light and heavy weapons. Presumably AA gun crews would evacuate the weather deck prior to the firing of the main armament. This might help explain Yamato's ineffectiveness at the Battle off Samar; the ship was under almost continual air attack and may have been prevented from firing her main armament at the risk of killing or disabling gunners in open positions. For similar reasons, the superstructure of the ship was extremely compact, which reduced armored citadel length but also hampered anti-aircraft arcs of fire.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato

Certainly Japanese made, and I doubt it's going to get a US or wider release, but I don't know.

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tom d. friedman wrote:
great footage, but the casualties are rather graphic, as they should be. what's dumb is the aiming of 18 inch diameter guns at moving attacking aircraft. oh well....... that's show biz!!!

The Japanese developed an anti-aircraft shell for the 18 inch gun called 'San Shiki' ('Beehive'). The following is taken from THIS page...

One very fascinating factor about the ammunition:
since Japan suffered heavy losses in her naval aviation
community early in the war, capital ships were expected to
provide their own defense against allied aircraft. As a
result of this, the 18-inch gun was provided with an anti-
aircraft shell of its own, called "San Shiki" (the Beehive)
Model 13. This round weighed 2,998 pounds and was filled
with 900 incendiary tubes (of rubber thermite) and 600
steel stays. A time fuze was supplied, set before firing,
that went off at a predetermined altitude and when the fuze
functioned, the explosive and metal contents burst in a
cone extending 20 degrees forward, towards the oncoming
aircraft. Instantly after detonating, the projectile shell
itself was destroyed by a bursting charge, increasing the
quantity of steel splinters. The incendiary tubes ignited
about half a second later and burned for five seconds at
3000 degrees C, producing a flame about 16 feet long.



A couple years ago there was a series of photos posted on a Japanese site showing the Yamato set used for this film... I can't find the site I'm thinking of, but smaller versions of some of the images are also posted HERE.


Links to THIS CGI site have been posted here a number of times in the past. I think that this guy was involved in the Yamato film, but haven't been able to confirm it. His work is certainly of the necessary calibre.


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Here's a link to a page with trailers:

http://www.yamato-movie.jp/trailer/index.html

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Shame they dismantled it, would of made a great tourist attraction


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I looks like an interesting film and I'd like to see it.
I wonder if the revisionists got involved with the "Hollywood" types and changed the ending, having the Yamato limp home to a heroes welcome and restored after the war to it's former, honorable glory! :wink: :lol: :lol:
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