Warbird Information Exchange

Hi all, from a non-member friend of mine comes the following; can anyone here provide the definitive answer on these aircraft?

There seems to be some confusion around the Seversky P-35 in the
> National Museum of the USAF collection at Wright Patterson. You'd think
> with
> just 4 P-35 variants surviving, there should be no problem. However...
>
> The four survivors are:-
>
> http://www.informationdelight.info/ency ... ersky_P-35
> "Two J 9 are preserved in museums today, one in the '' Swedish Air Force
> Museum '', and one in Kermit Weeks '' Fantasy Of Flight '' in Florida. The
> latter presently undergoing restoration to flying condition. Also a P-35
> is
> on display at The '' National Museum Of The United States Air Force ''.
> Furthermore an AT-12, one of those who didn't make it to Sweden, is also
> beeing restored back to flying condition at '' Planes Of Fame '' at Chino
> Airport in Los Angeles."
>
> The NMUSAF (who seem to be unaware of the other three survivors) state on
> their web site:-
> http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsh ... 469&page=2
> "The aircraft on display, the only known surviving P-35, served with the
> 94th Pursuit Squadron, 1st Pursuit Group. The aircraft was restored by the
> 133rd Tactical Airlift Wing, Minnesota Air National Guard, with assistance
> from students of the Minneapolis Vocational Institute. It is marked as the
> P-35A flown by the 17th Pursuit Squadron commander, 1Lt. Buzz Wagner, in
> the
> Philippines in the spring of 1941. "
>
> Now, if the NMUSAF example served with 94th Pursuit Sqn, it cannot be an
> ex
> Swedish example. However, on 7.7.72 Tennessee ANG C-124C 21055 transited
> through Mildenhall carrying P-35 '26' from Save AB (Sweden) to the USAFM
> (as
> it was then) at Wright Patterson.
>
> Various sources give the museum P-35 as USAAC 36-0404, "marked as the
> P-35A
> flown by the 17th Pursuit Squadron commander, 1 Lt. "Buzz" Wagner, in the
> Philippines, early 1941." The aircraft now on display at Wright Patt
> carries "2170" on the rear fuse and the
> code "4MP17". The data block shows "Nichols Field" and "US Army P-35A
> 41-17449".
>
> Further confusion arises from photos of the Wright Patt example variously
> coded "PA95", "PA70" and "17-4MP".
>
> Now, back in 1999 the Fantasy of Flight museum at Tamiami, Florida, had
> P-35
> 41-17449 coded "17-4MP". It was still there and in these markings whilst
> under restoration in 2002.
>
> Trawling around the web, there is a cryptic post at:-
> http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/305902-post41.html
> .... which states "AF Museum a/c came from Kermit Weeks along with a
> Grumman
> Duck in Trade for the Seversky (export version of the P-35, Swedish,
> restored as a P-35) that Kermit has now."
>
> So, I'm confused.......
>
> Which P-35 did the USAFM museum receive from Sweden - and where is it now?
> What is the identity of the P-35 currently displayed at Dayton with
> "41-17449" on the data block?
> Is there still a P-35 "41-17449" at Tamiami?
> What happened to 36-0404?
>


Thanks in advance!

The Planes of Fame AT-12 is airworthy and of course Chino Airport is in Chino, not Los Angeles.

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... 6&start=15

There appear to have been two Severskys at the USAFM. The Swedish one was traded to Kermit Weeks.

The one in the USAF museum at Dayton is a P-35.


The other two preserved are J 9s, or P-35As:

SwAF #2126 at Fantasy of Flight, Polk City, FL. That one was before on display at Dayton.

SwAF #2134 at the Swedish AF museum at Malmen AB, Sweden.

I thought that the Swedish example and Week's aircraft were known as EP-1's?

Regardless, there is only one "real" P-35.
Jerry

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...and two "real" J 9



EP-1 was the designation given by the mfct (EP: Export Pursuit) for the Swedish version, called J 9 by the Swedish AF...and P-35A by the USAAC.

Martin

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The AT-12 Guardian is totally different from the P-35.


The P-35 at the USAFM is a straight P-35 model. The P-35A had a longer fuselage then the straight P-35 and the P-35A also had the addition of one .50 cal machine gun in each wing.

I wish more P-35's survived. I've always liked the P-35. Kind of a cute plane and a classic pre war USAAC fighter.

HTH,
Nathan

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And what zackley is that aircraft sitting behind #53?

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The Seversky listed at Tamiami is the same one that Kermit owns and is now at Fanntasy of Flight under restoration just to clarify.

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A P-51 Mustang?

Or do you mean the Saab 21?

http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Attack/172A21A.htm
http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Attack/173A21R.htm

well it don't look like a P-51, dis-in's got a push prop on it

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I'd like to share two photos of Mr. Weeks P-35 (or whatever we decide to call it ) while it was still a J 9 in Sweden, being part of an improvised museum at the F 9 Air Force Base in Göteborg.





The J 9 is seen down in the huge nuclear-proof underground hangar, together with a J 22 and the odd pusher again, the J 21. After the base closed in the late 1960ies the historic aircraft moved elsewhere. The J 9 was shipped to the states in 1972 I believe?

More than three decades later, the underground hangar is once again an aviation museum – the Aeroseum. http://www.aeroseum.se

Photo credit Styrbjörn Ericsson, the F 9 photographer, still alive – I actually met him down in "the rock" just before Christmas. Thanks to Pelle Lindquist.