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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:46 pm 
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It's been just over 10 year since I've been back in Chi-town. Man I missed this place. I'm in town for a conference down in Tinely all week long. So I'm gonna soak it all up.

I got in early afternoon on Sat and decide to drive up to my old base Great Lakes and stroll down memory lane.

Some of the Squids on here that went to GL might enjoy seeing these pictures and for those who don't.....you can all pack sand :shock:

Hope you don't mind. Sorry for the crappy pictures. My retired USAF buddy was driving and didn't want to stop. Said it was a bad neighborhood and didn't want to get jumped or car jacked :wink:

On our way....6 hours total, not bad
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Almost there....my old watering hole just off base.....,one of them anyways ( I had season tickets to Mr. B's too :D )
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Where it all began...Recruit Training Command. All but a few of the original buildings are tore down.....kinda sad really..........
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.....sad that those Suckers get Air Conditioning now :evil: .....
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Front gate........meant freedom from the base when you earned your Liberty card.
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The old USO........The main buildings here are well over 100 years old.
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Ceremonial Deck Guns
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The old clock tower........gett'n fixed after Dr. E Brown Futsed with it :lol:
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Some newer stuff.....This new building is where they have UNREP training or Underway Replenishing or ment (I was green NAVY, didn't do that)
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Club Nitro.......now called Pier Something.
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One of my old school houses ET Strand.
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Anti-Aircraft Battery outside my old Tech Core Barracks
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and last but certianly not least......these deck canons are outside the base gym and are name the "Long Shay".......honest :wink:

Anyways, does anyone know what ship these came off of? I'd really like to know.....there was no plaque.
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That's it thanks for watching.

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Oh yeah I owe you some A-4 Skyhawk Shots. Here ya go

Located on Camp Barry with in Great Lakes NTC
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I believe the BuNo. is correct for the aircraft but wrong for McCain paint scheme. Anyone know the BuNo of the Skyhawk Mc was shot down in?
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Nice bird except it looks like the cut her wings off and bolted on hinge plates.




Well like I said I'm gonna be in town all week. So if you all have any suggestions of aviation sites to see let me know. Can't do the Museum of Science and Industry as I'll most likely be tied up during the day. But I welcome all suggestion. Anyone know about a M60 Patton Tank parked on display up in Northern Chicago area?

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Likely not the same tank, but heading South on Lakeshore Dr. / U.S. 41 in the Jackson Park area, there was (1999) an M-60 in a neighborhood, in what looked like a traffic circle.

I could never find a gap in the traffic whenever I drove by, to take a photo.

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That's gotta be it. We were on Lake Shore Dr when i caught a glimpse of it. Looked as if someone parked in a flower bed.

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Chicago, a great place to be from... :wink:


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considering the usual crappy chicago weather the scooter & deck guns are well cared for!! great job!!!

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There is a Patton tank in front of the American Legion on Grand Ave (Illinois Rt 132) in Gurnee, Ill. just blocks from where I work.

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Don't forget to swing by the lake, and pay your respects to the LATE Meigs Field. Please then do me a favor, and stop by that Rat Ba$t^rd Daley's office, and crap on his desk for that affront to aviation...

Otherwise, have a great trip! Nice pics :)

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Robbie Roberts wrote:
Don't forget to swing by the lake, and pay your respects to the LATE Meigs Field. Please then do me a favor, and stop by that Rat Ba$t^rd Daley's office, and crap on his desk for that affront to aviation...

Otherwise, have a great trip! Nice pics :)

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Couldn't have said it better. Cool A-4 though.

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Try to stop by the former NAS Glenview and check out the Stearman hanging in the Von Maur store next to the old Hangar One building.

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Eeeeee's back!!

Well got home last night. Had a blast the enitre time. Chi-town is a fun place. Would live there though,....too many people and piss poor drivers.

Did find enough time to make it out to the Museum of Sceince and Industry after all. Paid full price for less than an hours worth of time......but hey what could you do?.

Ended up getting a personal tour of the U-505 separate from the others for a "small" donation to the museum. Was great.


I'll be the 1st to admit my camera sucks Micronesian monkey balls when it come to shooting in dark museums

To keep it avaition related.

On 10 November 1942, the U-505 was damage heavily in an air attack by a Lockheed Hudson aircraft of No. 53 Squadron RAF. The aircraft was shot down or damaged by her own bombs and crashed in the attack. The U-boat was damaged so heavily that the remainder of it's patrol was aborted and headed back to Lorient for repairs.


Capture of U-505
On 4 June 1944, United States Navy Task Group 22.3 (TG 22.3) captured U-505, the first time a US Navy vessel had captured an enemy at sea since 1815, when USS Peacock seized HMS Nautilus during the War of 1812.

The anti-sub task force
The action took place in the Atlantic Ocean, at 21¡ã30¡äN 19¡ã20¡äW / 21.5, -19.333 (U-505), about 150 miles (241 km) off the coast of Rio De Oro, Africa. The American force was commanded by Captain Daniel V. Gallery, USN, and comprised the escort aircraft carrier USS Guadalcanal (CVE-60), and five destroyer escorts under Commander Frederick S. Hall, USN: Pillsbury (DE-133), Pope (DE-134), Flaherty (DE-135), Chatelain (DE-149), and Jenks (DE-665).

Alerted by Allied cryptanalysts, who had decrypted the German naval Enigma code "Shark", the Guadalcanal task group knew U-boats were operating off the African coast near Cape Verde. They did not know the precise location, however, because the coordinates in the message were encoded separately before being enciphered for transmission. By using high-frequency direction-finding fixes (HF/DF, pronounced "Huff-Duff") and air and surface reconnaissance, the Allies could narrow down a U-boat's location. The Guadalcanal task group intended to use all these methods to find and capture the next U-boat they detected.

Depth charge attack
The task group sailed from Norfolk, Virginia, on 15 May 1944, for an anti-submarine patrol near the Canary Islands. For two weeks they searched unsuccessfully, steaming as far south as Freetown, Sierra Leone. On Sunday, 4 June 1944, with fuel running low, the warships reluctantly turned north and headed for Casablanca. Ten minutes later, at 11:09, Chatelain, Lt. Cmdr. Dudley S. Knox, USNR commanding, made sonar contact on an object just 800 yards (700 m) away on her starboard bow. Guadalcanal immediately swung clear at top speed to avoid getting in the way, as Chatelain and the other escorts closed the position.

In the minutes required to identify the contact definitely as a submarine, however, Chatelain closed too rapidly and could not attack¡ªher depth charges would not sink fast enough to intercept the U-boat. The escort held her fire, opened range and set up an attack with her hedgehog battery. Regaining sonar contact after a momentary loss due to the short range, Chatelain passed beyond the submarine and swung around toward it to make a second attack with depth charges.

As the ship heeled over in her tight turn, one of two Wildcat fighter planes launched overhead by Guadalcanal, sighted the submerged U-boat and dived on it, firing into the water to mark the submarine's position. Chatelain steadied up on her sound bearing and moved in for the kill. A full pattern of depth charges set for a shallow target splashed into the water around the U-boat. As their detonations threw geysers of spray into the air, a large oil slick spread on the water; the fighter plane overhead radioed "You struck oil! Sub is surfacing!"[cite this quote] Six and one-half minutes after Chatelain's first attack, U-505 broke the surface with its rudder jammed, lights and electrical machinery out, and water coming in.

Surface action
As the submarine broached only 700 yards (600 m) from Chatelain, the escort opened fire with all automatic weapons that would bear and swept the U-boat's decks. Pillsbury, Lieutenant George W. Casselman, USNR, and Jenks, Lieutenant Commander Julius F. Way, USN, farther away, and the two Wildcats overhead all joined the shooting and added to the intense barrage. Wounded in the torrent of fire and believing that his submarine had been mortally damaged by Chatelain's depth charges, the commanding officer of U-505 quickly ordered his crew to abandon ship. So quickly was this command obeyed that scuttling measures were left incomplete and the submarine's engines continued to run.

The jammed rudder caused the partially-submerged U-505 to circle to the right at a speed near 7 knots (13 km/h). Seeing the U-boat turning toward him, the commanding officer of Chatelain ordered a single torpedo fired at the submarine in order to forestall what appeared to be a similar attack on himself. The torpedo passed ahead of U-505, which by now appeared to be completely abandoned. About two minutes later, the escort division commander ordered cease fire and called away Pillsbury's boarding party.

Salvage operations
While Chatelain and Jenks picked up survivors, Pillsbury sent its motor whaleboat to the circling submarine where Lieutenant (junior grade) Albert David led the eight-man party on board. Despite the risk of U-505 sinking or blowing up at any minute and not knowing what form of resistance they might meet below, David and his men clambered up the conning tower and then down the hatches into the boat itself. After a quick examination proved the U-boat was completely deserted (except for one dead man on deck¡ªthe only fatality of the action), the boarders set about bundling up charts, codebooks, and papers, disconnecting demolition charges, closing valves, and plugging leaks. By the time the flood of water had been stopped, the U-boat was low in the water and down by the stern.

Meanwhile, Pillsbury twice went alongside the turning submarine to put over tow lines and each time the escort's side was pierced by the U-boat's bow plane. Finally, with three compartments flooded, she was forced to haul clear to attend to her own damage. The boarding party was then reinforced by a party from Guadalcanal. Led by Commander Earl Trosino, USNR, Chief Engineer of the Guadalcanal and a pre-war Merchant Marine chief engineer with Sunoco, the carrier's men completed temporary salvage measures, and took a towline from Guadalcanal. The salvage crew was later joined by Commander Colby G. Rucker, USN, who arrived with the seaplane tender Humbolt (AVP-21).

In an ingenious solution to the heavy flooding, under Trosino's direction the salvage crew disconnected the boat's diesels from her motors. This allowed the propellers to turn the shafts while under tow. After setting the main switches to charge the batteries, Guadalcanal towed the U-boat at high speed, turning the electric motors over and causing them to function as generators. This enabled the salvors to recharge the submarine's batteries. With power restored, the salvage crew could use the U-boat's own pumps and air compressors to finish pumping out seawater and bring her up to full surface trim. Gallery always credited Trosino's vast knowledge of marine engineering, far greater than the average naval officer's, with enabling the task group to keep the boat after they captured her.

After three days of towing, Guadalcanal was relieved of her burden by the fleet tug Abnaki (ATF-96). Arriving with the tug was the tanker Kennebec (AO-36), sent to provide much-needed fuel to the task group. On Monday, 19 June 1944, U-505 was brought into Port Royal Bay, Bermuda, after a tow of 1,700 miles (2,740 km). U-505 was kept there in secrecy until the end of World War II.

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The museum's Spitfire and Stuka. Question is the Stuka restored? Or just merely repainted? I noticed a heck of a gash on it's belly

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I have an old picture of an A-7 Corsair II in the museum some where but I didn't have enough time to search it out.

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I believe,
the capture of the U-505 was kept secret, because it was also the capture of a fully functioning and current Enigma code machine. The German submarine menace became gradually impotent after this.

To keep the aircraft theme:
The Wildcats were painted in the grey-white Atlantic scheme.

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They had the enigma already Vlado. They real prize were the codes.
BTW if you haven't read ADM Gallery's books get them now. He was a master story teller. "Now Hear This!", "Stand By To Start Engines", "Cap'n Fatso", "Away Borders" and "U-505". If I remember correctly he flew a TBD in the National Air Races, flew with 2 other ADMs in a 3 jet acro team and flew Spitfires (ferrying them from the factory) during the B of B.
Shay, the 5"ers look like WWII era CV AA mounts :idea:

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I see they've moved the Spit and Stuka, and have them more correctly displayed (they did have the Stuka on the Spit's tail.) The Stuka is also in a place where it can be seen much better. Looks like they've added manequins to the cockpits as well, and some bonehead painted "kills" on the Spit.

As for the paint on the Stuka, it's actually original. The plane has never been restored..although somewhere along the line, it lost it's wheel pants and acquired a set of american wheels (there was a thread on that subject a few months back.)

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Great pictures! I would give my right arm to see that museum and the sub. Awesome! Did you see the Apollo 8 Command Module?

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My money is on these guns belonging to an Essex Class carrier. Which one I don't know....I have'nt come across anything yet on the web mentioning these cannons.

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See on the port side (USS Hornet)?
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Really visable here on the Lady Lex.
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