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 Post subject: F-4 Up for sale!!
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But their is a catch!!!!

http://www.govliquidation.com/list/e6987/lna/1.html

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BA$T@RD$! Gotta cut it up to get title. What a buncha jerks...

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Those pieces are 4"X4". And this is for a gutted airframe !! :evil:

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Those pieces are 4"X4". And this is for a gutted airframe !! :evil:


Sure they're not 4'x4'? It would be damned hard to do 4"x4" on site.

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For that matter, how much would a scrapper make on the deal after the cost of labor to whittle an F-4 into aluminum postage stamps? What could he bid, 89 cents? Or do they have portable shredders for that sort of thing?

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File this away too, most of the F-4's operated outside the U.S. were built outside the U.S. and, possibly could be imported as they never were supplied to foreign govt's by the DoD. (and somewhere North of 5000 F-4's were built world wide, so we ain't gonna run out soon)

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Umm, no, most F4s operated by foreign countrys were military assistance transfers and are bound by those agreements. The Japanese F-4s were built under license in Japan. The rest were built in St Louis.

The F-4K was bought outright by the UK but they were built in St Louis.

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From 1958 to 1979, when the production line stopped, a total of 5,195 F-4 Phantom II aircraft were built. Of those, 5,057 rolled off the McDonnell Aircraft (later McDonnell Douglas) production line in St. Louis, Mo. The last 138 were built under license by Mitsubishi Aircraft Co. in Japan. The 21-year production run was the longest on record until surpassed by the F-15 Eagle, which has now been in production 26 years (1972-98 and counting).

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Did the Phantom not come under the realms of the SALT treaty meaning they were not meat to be passed on to civilians ? I am not sure of the ways round this (eg. The Collings Foundation) or if it is still in force. Here is an interesting link to the UK survivors, most of which are still owned by the MOD (and thus there safety is by no means guaranteed!!!)

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/phantom/survivors.html

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I thought the SALT treaties dealt with strategic bombers. Not aware of the implications for tactical aircraft. More than just the F-4 was considered nuclear capable.

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I got to side with Rick H on some of this. I think the government (not the volunteers at the museums by any means) are going over board on scrapping stuff. Look at the Tomcat disaster. To me it is disgraceful that so many of these aircraft were destroyed. Even though Rick and I don't always see eye to eye, I don't see why it would be wrong to see an F-105 fly.

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Just a case of the bureaucrats protecting us from ourselves. :roll:

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I have often dreamt of this scenario - I have win a lotto of about 140M. I would set up a corporation somewhere in western Europe, buy 2-3 of those F-4s and or A-4s the Israeli air force has for sale. then operate them on the Euro air show circuit for a few years. this is the part I do not know about - then sell the corp to a US based corp and move the planes home! it seems that with a clear title that should not be an issue. Its all for the love of $140M!!

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Mega-Millions Friday is 140+ million $!!
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Tom, don't waste your money this time. I've already got the winning ticket ! :lol:

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