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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:17 am 
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As you Folks may know from past posts, the 1941 Historical Aircraft Group Museum has acquired a B-23 Dragon stored in Midland, Texas. Well, yesterday a group of five Folks traveled to Midland and have begun the process of disassembling the aircraft and preparing her for transit to Geneseo. This morning we on the 1941 HAGM Message Board received the first update of their progress. Would you like to go to the MB and read these for yourselves, or I can post the updates here on WIX as they arrive. Your call.

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It would be great if you could post em here.
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Ditto what Robbie said--I would like to see the progress as well. Good luck with the old girl, I hated seeing her just sit on the Hill when we used to go to Midland.

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OK Folks, it appears we are getting updates from the HAG Group on the Website Message Board and the CAF here on WIX. I will be posting the HAG Group updates when they are received on the MB. To catch you up, here are the first two:

Draggin the Dragon

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/15/2009, 8:43 am


Update #1
5 of us have made the trip here to Midland: Austin Wadsworth, our fearless leader; Sgt. Bob Biron, our "enforcer," Glenn Gunner, our technical leader (and I.A.), Jeff Piper, "College Boy," and myself, "Boats."

Our plane looks pretty good. It's not until you get in the cockpit that the real difference from our C-47 becomes apparent. The engines are right up there along side with the props out in front...

We arrived Friday, early evening. Went to the plane first thing yesterday AM and soon got through the gates to her. While some started scrounging for ladders, Jeff and I started pulling engine cowlings. The prop domes came off easily- dry,no oil in them at all. I doubt we'll be able to feather the props before we pull them.

Then some of us started pulling the fairings from around the tail section, while others started getting all the "stuff," "stored" inside the plane out.

After lunch, we got a tour of FiFi from two CAF volunteers who are working on her- they were pulling an oil cooler, working towards the installation of the hybrid engines that are going to be installed on her. Cockpit is huge- like everything else and what I found most interesting is the flight engineer's position: He sits back to the co-pilot with a full array of all engine gauges, throttle and prop controls in front of him- so a green pilot can rely on him to provide the power as he/she takes off.

The CAF volunteers, Mark & Bob, have offered to help us today and we are MOST grateful! Yesterday they inflated the main wheels with nitrogen and we'll have to get a fork lift to lift the tail to get at the valve stem for the tail wheel- then they'll haul in their beautiful, big hangar for us.

Will try and give daily updates at end of day.

Stirlin Harris
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Draggin the Dragon #2

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/15/2009, 7:57 pm


Today was a good day. Dave Miller, Crew Chief on the CAF's gorgeous B-29, FiFi, returned from being out of town. Besides being a great help to us, he is posting pixs on WIX of our progress.

Even though it is flat as heck out here and you can see for miles, we're at 3,000 ft. altitude and the CAF guys kindly advised us to stay hydrated as in the dry air and altitude one can get in trouble pretty quickly. From 40's yesterday it was sunny, clear blue skies and 70's today.

Dave Miller drove the fork lift out to our plane and picked up her tail to where we could get to the valve stem. We held our breath as the rear tire doesn't look great, while the mains do and they held pressure overnight. The rear wheel took the charge and held. We hooked her up to the fork lift and Dave towed her to where we could pressure wash her down. Austin decided, instead, to use a shop vac to clean out the crap in the bottom of the fuselage. Of greatest concern was the rat scat from which one could contract what they call Junta Virus and that's a trip to Emergency...

First thing this AM we went to 'Wally World' and bought dust masks, lots of water, paper towels and sharpies to mark things as we took them off the plane. While Austin toughed out the vacumming, Jeff and I finished removing the fairings from the main wing. A quick trip to get a subway and we then towed the plane into the hangar, after they took out their C-47 which looks even more pristine than our own.

Then we pulled the pulled the props. They came off quite easily because they weren't put back that 'hard' after the reconstruction from moving the plane to Midland. Second prop was a bit of a challenge as the engine is frozen and we couldn't spin a blade to the bottom. Austin and Jeff rigged a sling to keep it upright as we pulled it off the plane using their forklift.

Then we pulled the ring cowls. Then Austin and Jeff rigged slings and chains to pull the #1 engine. While using the forklift as a "jack" to hold up the plane in case the gear were to collapse while someone was in the wheel well or under the engine while undoing the mounting bolts, Dave ran their crane to hold the engine while the mounting bolts were pulled. She came off with a little persuasion and we set the engine just outside the hangar. That was about 6:30 PM and we'll start tomorrow morning on #2.

Dave Miller is posting pictures of our progress on WIX. We can't say enough about the CAF guys here. Mark Russell came back to help. Texans in general seem to be a very friendly bunch: We walked into an auto parts store thsi AM and the guy behind the counter said looks like we got some shop lifters here... We had fun talking with him. Others picked up on our conversation and said our plane was on the news. We thought that was pretty cool until we figured out it was the CAF's P-82, Twin Mustang, that the USAF is taking from them- even though they have the paper to show it's theirs! We quickly pointed out that that wasn't 'our' plane and that we had paid for ours and weren't the bad guys!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:11 pm 
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Have y'all got it under control, or do you need some more help? I could possibly come out for a bit if y'all need the extra body.

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Sorry for the delay Folks, But here are the Draggin' The Dragon updates # 3 & 4:
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Draggin the Dragon #3

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/16/2009, 9:28 pm


Today was a pretty awesome day and we are WHIPPED... By 9:30 AM we had engine #2 off the plane. By 11:15 we had the vertical stabilizer off. By 1 PM we had the horizontal stabilizer off- this was especially difficult in that getting to some nuts to unscrew bolts took contortions from both inside and out side the aircraft.

Broke for a quick Subway lunch and then started on the wings. The flange bolts came off without too much difficulty- though rivets made it hard to get to quite a few. The real challenge was pulling the main bolts that hold on the wing- 4 below and one above. Small slots give access to hex bolts that require a special tool that we, nor the CAF, nor the newly arrived guys (and one gal) from the Martin Museum in Baltimore didn't have. Austin and Glen welded a nut sized to fit the hex fitting to a rod and we pulled both wings by 7 PM. We were fortunate to find a four point bridle in our plane designed to hold the wing.

We stayed in for dinner tonight- we're a tired bunch of guys.

'till tomorrow..

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Draggin the Dragon #4

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/17/2009, 9:48 pm


Well, after a spectacular day yesterday, we hit the wall today. We worked 'til 7:30 PM and nothing to show for it...

We intend to pull the fuselage from the center wing section but have encountered some "challenges." One challenge is that the bomb bay doors are no more and they've skinned that area over. Glenn is making a surgical cut in the skin so we can get to that area and undo what screws and bolts that are hidden by the covering of the bomb bay.

Also, we are having trouble with some of the flange nuts between the fuselage and the inner wing. While we got 75% off with our impact electric gun, the other 25% are spinning in palce and a good 10% of those are inaccessible from inside the aircraft where a second man needs to put a wrench on the bolt to keep it from spinning.

Some we've been able to get out by putting torque on the bolt to try and keep it from spinning- others we're having to drill, which is time consuming. Tomorrow is Glenn's last day and we're sure going to miss his expertise.

Austin rented a 24' Penske truck today which he plans to drive home with all the "loose" parts- of which there are A LOT!

Tomorrow he has to fly to Cleveland for the memorial service for his Marine Corps buddy, John Spreng and he'll be back Thursday AM.

We will push on tomorrow and hope for a better progress report at the end of the day.

We owe a great deal 0f thanks not only to the great CAF staff of Dave Miller, FiFi's crew chief and Mark Baxter, who is the Superintendent of the facility, but also to the great guys (and one gal) from the Glenn L. Martin Maryland Aviation Museum who are here, working along side of us, dismantling their Martin Mauler to take back to their plane's birth place. They drove here and have all the tools and then some and have been very generous in letting us borrow what we need. I've promised them tickets to our airshow as a gesture of our appreciation.

'Til tomorrow,
"Boats"

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:15 am 
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Draggin the Dragon #5

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/18/2009, 8:27 pm


We feel like the Syracuse basketball team: Too many overtimes and too few players... Even so, we did some good today, though the plane itself is no further disassembled. We did get more offending screws and bolts out- but needed to do something different as we're pretty burned out.

We built a stabilizer bar for the tail wheel assembly to replace what the horizontal stabilizer did in case we don't get her apart intime and then she'll have to be moved out of the hangar.

We also started loading the truck that Austin will be driving home- remember he's at John Spreng's Memorial service today in Cleveland- and, we loose Glen Gunner who's going home tomorrow. He did a fantastic job for us and we're going to miss him!

We got the horizontal stabilizer just squeezed into the truck. We have mattresses padding it and the vertical on top. Props were disassembled and tied to pallets and loaded in the truck. Then we loaded lots of loose gear.

It sure would be great if a fresh crew could meet the truck when Austin arrives at the HAG as we'd just soon not see the plane for a while...

'til tomorrow
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Thanks for the updates on your project. I know I am a little late in giving you this advice, but what ever you do make sure you keep the main landing gear pinned while you guys are working on this thing.
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Folks, herer are the latest updates from HAG"s Dragon Group in MidlandL

Draggin the Dragon #6

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/19/2009, 6:19 pm

We're so close that we put a halt to separating the fuselage from the center section as we don't have the truck lined up yet to set her on and we don't want to set her on the ground...

Austin, Jeff and Sarge are out getting shipping blankets to wrap the remaining pieces to go on the truck: rudder, aerlerons, flaps and elevators.

It's great some of you are on deck to meet the truck, when we have a better idea of ETA we will advise.

Went to see the American Air Power Museum's nose art collection that is housed here- it is quite moving to see. When the 17's and 24's were being scrapped a heads up move was made by the owner and he cut out the panels the art is painted on and eventually they were donated. The presentation is done very well with actual photos of the art on the planes in theater and some times comments from artists when known. There is a glass walled room right next to where the nose art is exhibited which is a conservation room- it looks like this art will be preserved for a long time- There are great exhibits, beautiful planes, but the nose art really steals the show and is worth the trip in itself.

That's it for today.

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Draggin the Dragon #6A

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/19/2009, 7:11 pm
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I forgot to post one thing- but before I get to that, we were just having a beer in our motel bar and a guy who looks like the real deal cowboy- which he is, but has to drive trucks because they don't use too many cowboys anymore. Turns out he was a Marine and we shared a couple of 'Nam stories and I come to find out he's a recipient of the Navy Cross. It was an honor to salute him- they don't hand that one out every day!

Now, today we struck gold: Randy Wilson, High Sky Wing Leader and his compadres from the neighboring CAF chapter, brought us plans for the Dragon, lots of pixs and probably most important and very generously, gave us all the plans on microfiche and the reader to look at them!

Can't say enough for these Texan CAF guys... Also, Mark Baxter, Supervisor of the entire facility, cooked hamburgs for all of us working in the big hangar- close to 20 volunteers. We also met Brian, a Loadmaster on a C-17 who used to fly in 130's and went through survival school with Martha many years ago out in Arkansas. He said she'd probably not remember him,but he remembers her.

Now we've given a complete report for today.

Boats

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Can't say enough for these Texan CAF guys... Also, Mark Baxter, Supervisor of the entire facility, cooked hamburgs for all of us working in the big hangar- close to 20 volunteers. We also met Brian, a Loadmaster on a C-17 who used to fly in 130's and went through survival school with Martha many years ago out in Arkansas. He said she'd probably not remember him,but he remembers her.



Actually, my name is Brad...it must be my accent! People always think I'm saying Brian, Brett, Brock, Breck, Braden and Brady for some reason. My wife noticed it a while back and she blames my spotty mastery of the english language. I usually don't even notice when people call me something else so I usually don't get around to correcting them.

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Draggin the Dragon #7

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/20/2009, 6:20 pm

The truck is almost loaded- we think we can get everything in- it will be stuffed to the gills. Austin & Sarge's ETA for the HAG is Wednesday- leaving here Sunday.

Saw two "Jump Jets" (Harrier) come in today- looked like they were coming in at about 80 mph with down vector.

We removed final lower engine nacell and put a second brace on tail wheel that was originally stabilized by the horizontal stabilizer.

Last report of Phase 1 from Midland tomorrow.

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Draggin the Dragon #8- Final from Midland

Posted by Stirlin Harris on 3/21/2009, 2:49 pm
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Easy day today... Trucked packed, no stuffed, by noon. Austin & Sarge just departed @ 1:45 PM our time... Hope to make the HAG by Tuesday.

Jeff went to take pictures of Ratcliff Stadium (Friday Night Lights) and I'm enjoying doing nothing but reading...............

Thanks for following us and your supportive comments. As they say in the Navy, "That is all."

Boats

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