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I locked this thread because I knew it would cause another conflict but figured Chris should have his say. I will unlock it now. If this turns into another bitch fest I will shut it down.

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Chris,

well put and I agree 100%. You and I have corresponded off this forum and haven't always agreed with each other but we have shown the appropriate respect for each others comments and opinons. I have said it before and I'll say it again, lets just enjoy this great source of exchanging knowledge and help each other, that way people will be encouraged to become involved in warbird based activities instead of scared off by those who feel they hold the chair of power.

congrats also to Scott, this can not be an easy task and I understand he tries very hard to be impartial and accomodating to everyone.


all the best

Digger

I agree with Col. Rohr (Wow, did I really say that?)

This debate is not about some power trip by warbird pilots or mechanics, it's about certain individuals feeling the need to post on subjects with which they know nothing about. Unfortunately these uneducated voices seem at times to be the loudest and most recurring, and to the new and inexperienced viewers looking for solutions to very real and serious problems this "loudest kid in the class" posting mentality can appear as fact, instead of very misguided opinion.

As for me, well it is true that I have little to no patience for friggin idiots where warbirds are concerned. It's too important a subject to be left to the misguided, misinformed, and mis-friggin-wrong. Ask me a question, and I'll give you a straight answer. Ask me a silly question and I'll give you a straight answer. Tell me that you already know the answer because your daddy told you so and that the government is mean and a buddy of yours who works on bicycles thinks that inspections are a waste of time and don't I just agree with you and I'll tell you you're a friggin idiot.

To quote a great American, "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son".

Unless they're the US Navy?

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"Unless they're the US Navy?"

Actually I think Col. Rohr 'beef' is not with the US Navy rather just the Naval Historical Center....

There's a certain amount of "pot - kettle - black" here.

Chris, in all fairness you have a recurring habit of snarky commentary, and Col. Rohr has a significant issue in tonal control- both of you have valid points, but it serves NO ONE to resort to sarcastic, snippy commentary or digital shouting matches.

As regards criticizing government agencies... as taxpaying citizens of these here United States of 'Murrica, it is our Constitutional right to dissent. HOWEVER- resorting to threats, name-calling, or other such activity isn't going to help anyone or anything. In fact, as Col. Rohr discovered to his infinite dismay, certain agencies do not like to be spoken of in such poor terms. Even I've leveled some harsh (and well deserved, IMHO) criticism at the NHC, but have dialed that back so that those working for a positive change will be able to do so with as little "background noise" as possible.

By all means, if you guys disagree with the latest FAA directives, it should be discussed here... key word being DISCUSSED. And take appropriate action if you feel strongly enough about it- lobby your local Congressperson, form a political action committee, whatever, but PLAY BY THE RULES. That's the only way that regulatory changes can be implemented.

When you get right down to it, there's not a whole lot of us who care enough about keeping these old warriors airworthy to invest time and effort into doing so... working together will get us further down the road than working against each other.

Just my 12 pesos, your mileage may vary, do not attempt at home, etc...

Lynn

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Wisdom, courtesy of shrike: "In aviation, as well as marriage, it's often just as important to be seen to be doing something as is to do it properly in the first place."

I agree with you Steve, I don't think that the feds are wrong in this inspection, they could have done the same thing as the T-34. It cost one hell of alot more to fix our T-34 than it is going to cost for our Harvard.
If they would have grounded the T-6 and similar types, I don't think some of the Harvard and T-6 owners could have afforded to spend the money that the T-34 owners had to spend to return to airworthiness.

Mike

...or even when they just ask an innocent question, apparently (referring to the "most difficult warbird to fly" thread).

The thread may not be about some warbird pilots on a power trip ("ego trip" seems more applicable for some)...even if, in some cases, a certain pilot on this board refers to non warbird pilots as "penguins."

Some people are just their own worst enemies when it comes to arguing their cases...even when they do have important contributions they could make. The best option is always posting an intelligent, well-thought-out (and cool-headed) reply which clearly states an opinion and let's the READER realize who is speaking from experience. Spending time calling people "uneducated," "stupid," or "friggin idiots" pretty much just shoots their own arguments in the foot. And even if they do possess superior knowledge on certain topics, nobody wants to hear just how superior someone thinks they are.

Just because you talk down to people, don't expect them to look up to you.

1. The term "penguin" is a derogatory term I use to refer to non-pilots who try to tell me how I should fly or operate my aircraft. It most definately does not refer to all non-pilots. Reference the thread concerning whether or not warbird pilots should wear helmets. What a friggin joke. All that most embarassing thread did was demonstrate to several warbird friends of mine just how many idiots are on the internet.

2. Most warbird pilots do not venture onto the internet, and the majority of those that do usually only lurk or post very rarely. If you wonder why this is see item #1.

3. I try to make myself available, because I remember what it was like when I was trying to buy my first warbird. Very little help available on the internet from anyone with real experience. I felt this was unfortunate, but to be honest the liability of having to deal with stupid comments and nutters has made me think twice.

4. I only talk down to penguins and friggin idiots. Did you think I was talking down to you?

No, because I don't view myself as either one of those.

My only point was that you, and some others, sometimes do yourself a disservice by the name calling. If you eliminated that from some of your posts, I think you'd be able to gather much more support and respect for your comments. Not that it's my duty to tell others how to speak their opinions. You're free to do as you please (well, as long as Scott is OK with it, of course ). But if you're looking to win over opinion of those people who think are being swayed by the "idiots" out there, you sometimes sabbotage your own efforts. At least, that's my perspective.

Otherwise, I'm glad to hear from the perspective of warbird pilots and do usually enjoy reading your posts.

Most of all, I guess I just like to see discussions remain civil...as do most people.

..talking about politeness..
ok, u r the warbird owner here, no questioning, but your attitude at ppl who dont agree with u is at least embarassing. I'd never dare to call anyone a penguin, a frigging idiot or a "smoking hole" just because I dont agree with him, and I'm sure u wouldnt love to be called like this either. The purpose of a forum is a civil exchange of opinions and informations, and as warbird operator I guess u have a double responsability here:
1)represent the warbirds owners/operators (which u do perfectly)
2)being more polite and helpful to newbies or future warbirds operators.
U talked about the difficulties u had in the begininning, but seems like u forgot about it.
Everyone has his own character and attitude, this is for sure, but IMHO this should be tolerated as long as u dont offend anybody.

Alex

This would have been better stated: " I only talk down to penguins and friggin idiots. Did you think I was talking down to you, ya friggin idiot?!"

Heh heh.

Lighten up, guys.

I can't say I blame Steve at all for losing his cool. It's happened more than once on this board. Someone said in a earlier post that it's usually the same people making sharp pointless comments usually under the idea that he who speaks loudest wins. Guys like Steve, Jeff, John Lane, John Paul ect are great assests to this board but you don't hear much from them. When I talked to Jeff the other day and asked him he's not posted much on the AD thread and reply to certain comments, his reply was "I'd be banned if I said what I want to say". I this a great board except for people posting on subjects they know nothing about and others scream and stomp there feet about the darn feds interfering again then attacking anyone questions their opinions. I know a lot of warbird owners/pilots most are very serious about maintainence and currency. But there is always a few who could care less and and are happy with a pencil whipped annual. For myself, I don't see anything wrong with this AD. If it saves just 1 pilot and his pax it just paid for itself.

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Sometimes, the people here on the board remind me of an old cop joke.

"What do a hundred beaten women have in common?"

"None of them could keep their mouth shut..."

Now I was going to tag this on a direct reply to Harvard IV, my friend and most esteemed expert on aircraft restoration and everything else. But I thought we could all friggin benefit from that joke...

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