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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:47 am 
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This weekend I went to an autoshow/swapmeet and discovered someone with a large box of Curtiss-Wright Model 200/ X-19 paper work. I purchased what amounts to a large sales brochure for the aircraft, 4 8.5 x 11 promotional prints/ photo's showing proposed variants (ground attack, naval, etc...) As well as another smaller brochure.

I know only two X-19's were built. I saw the remaining one at the NMUSAF in Dayton last summer.

Does anyone know how common these items are?

Also (it gets better!) The seller said he has several rolls of Drawings/ prints showing the Curtiss-Wright engine plant in Caldwell NJ, and drawings for the X-19. :lol: Im going to give him a call this evening and may take a ride to go see them.

Apparently his elderly neighbor was moving out and she just left all of this stuff on the curb :shock: The guy who picked it up didnt really want it but realized it was too important to toss.

I am a Cad drafter so I work with prints all the time so I have a good idea of what I am looking at. I've got my fingers crossed. :D


Edit 3/21/11.

Here are a few scans of the Brochure, Pamphlet, and artistic renditions of the X-19/ Model 200.

Here is the front and back of the small brochure. I didnt have the heart to ruin the crisp fold in the middle to get the cener pages.

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Here is the informational pamphlet. It is about a dozen pages, I chose two pages as a sample of whats inside.

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And here are some artist renditions of proposed variants and a photo of the working prototype.

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Very Cool - I'd be interested in obtaining a copy of any drawings you end up with.

Just think how much of this type of material and photos ends up in the trash because the rest of the family usually tosses it when someone passes on. Sad....

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Very interesting details. It's amazing what some people throw away, and wonderful that it was rescued at least.

Speaking of the X-19, I saw one, along with some other unusual stuff like a couple of AH-56 Cheyennes, and a Hind D at the Aberdeen proving grounds back in about 1998. They were basically just gutted shells. Does anyone know if they ended up going to museums? Is the X-19 that's now at Dayton the one which was at Aberdeen?

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The one in Dayton appears to be pretty complete. I saw it in the Resto Hanger. The tour guide didnt mention where it came from.

According to the info I've seen, two were built and one was written off after a crash...So I'd guess it was the same one. :?

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I know it's been a few years based on the posting dates, but I am collecting information to build a 1/32 scale model of an X-19. Do you still have those drawings? I'd be interested in a contact to see what you have, and perhaps how I can obtain some copies. Thanks!!


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TAdan wrote:
Also (it gets better!) The seller said he has several rolls of Drawings/ prints showing the Curtiss-Wright engine plant in Caldwell NJ, and drawings for the X-19. :lol: Im going to give him a call this evening and may take a ride to go see them.

Yes it is an old thread. It begs the question:
Did TAden ever go back and get any of the rest of the material?

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Thanks for your response. I managed to also send him an email through his profile, so I'm hoping he'll respond. If he has what he says he has, this is like finding the Dead Sea Scrolls! (more or less). I just happened to have seen this thread while I was surfing this topic. I also managed to find a person who works as a volunteer at the AF Museum, and he's sent me photos of the X-19.


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Hi Joe, I didnt get your email... but I check WIX regularly. :wink:

I still have the brochures and other smaller X-19 items. I probably havent looked at them since I picked them up but I know where they are. I can try to get them scanned this weekend. I never did get back in touch with the seller. If I remember correctly he said he had drawings of the facility/building, not of the aircraft.

In the meantime here are a few shots of the X-19 in Dayton taken this past August.

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FANTASTIC! Whatever information is greatly appreciated. :D


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Don't know what details you are looking for. Here is one of the better known photos of the M-200 or X-19. This is an Original photo from the Curtiss Wright archives. The enjoyable part about working with original photos, is that they can be enlarged to show fine, small details such as this small stenciling on fuselage.
I have a lot of the Curtiss Wright files and one folder has a number of these good clear originals of both the X-19/M-200 (two-engine, four rotor), and also some variations of design of the earlier X-100 (single engine, two rotor). Did a large two-page photo of it, with a sidebar of stats & history for the first issue of Flight Journal for 1910. (forget if that was a Jan or Feb issue)
The one at the museum never flew, and when obtained, was missing a number of major components. The other one crashed, (with more details in the Flight Journal issue.)
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If you want to read narrative that makes a Greek Tragedy look like a Mel Brooks movie then the X-19 story is right up your alley. 50 years ago the engineers @ CW were attempting to do with slide rules and adding machines at about the time CW's participation in aircraft design was at it's very end, what it took BELL-BOEING a lot of years to work using high powered computers, to more or less do correctly decades later. The first prototype, the only one to fly, logged about 4 hours total over about 5 years and flight testing ended spectacularly when one of it's lift propellers went out of control and the two test pilots ejected where after it made a smoking hole in a field. Either AIRPOWER or WINGS did a full length article on the X-19 many moons ago.

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Uploaded some pictures to the first post. :D

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TAen;
WOW! Thanks a million for posting those. Fantastic concept images too.

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Thanks for the information! I really appreciate it!


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