Warbird Information Exchange

From a post I made on the Blue Angles Thread-

I've noticed a fairly heavy hand at moving threads on the board recently.
Personally I think you are hitting the move button too much.
A discussion of the Blue Angles situation directly relates to many who post and visit here. Their are pilots, Warbird Pilots and also Airshow Pilots among your WIX followers. This type of discussion of what has happened, what the response is and how they deal with it is a great lesson to these pilots as well as to everyone else. It is relevant to us here and driving it off to who knows where doesn't seem right.
Recently the same was done with some posts relating to attending airshows to see warbirds.
The majority of the visitors seem to come to the WIX HAngar. I know there are other places to post things on this board but I rarely have time to visit them.
I know there are things that should get moved but in all honesty I'd rather have the freedom to avoid reading something than to have a heavy hand moving things in an excessive manner. I know it is a thankless job to admin a board. I respect the efforts put forth here but also ask that you might give a short explanation of why something gets moved.
It might educate us about how and what to post.

If this is the new standard of moving threads on who is going to an airshow or discussing the Blue Angles Performance at an airshow than there are other threads that should be moved, including the really sad events involving Amanda Franklin.
I'm asking that you lighten up some. The place doesn't need that much policing. Don't move things unless its really obnoxious.
Rant over.

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If you don't like whats happening then leave.

This place needs patroling and big time.

Lurked here for five months and I can tell you it's a messed up place.

Some need to be banned but I guess that's another story.

We don't really want that... Especially in Rich's case. I'd say it's more like, if you don't like what's happening, sit down and think about it from your own perspective, and from what might be a mod's perspective, then don't hesitate to give us some feedback via PM - then if you don't get an answer, or don't like things, then make some other decisions.

Some people think so, others don't. We're trying to strike a balance.

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It's comments like Skyraiderdriver that are driving those of us who do maintain Warbirds to post less and frequent WIX less.
David
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And that is NOT a good thing.

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My criticism is meant to give us some feedback on why some things are happening and also to allow a discussion so that those who moderate and run this board can hear us out.

I have participated in several of the conversations that are not the highpoints of WIX as well some that I hope do represent the best of WIX.

It is a difficult thing to manage this board with more efforts needed than time is available. I applaud the efforts of those who strive to make WIX a better place.

To just leave under the explanation given by Skyraiderdriver I believe is wrong. To Skyraiderdriver I ask will that action make this place better? To be quiet and leave or to start a discussion and add to the dynamic of ideas, opinions, information and exchanges that is what WIX is.

I guess the bottom line is that I have noticed fewer topics posted. Fewer posts being made on the Bald Eagle thread as well as others and I noticed some threads being moved. I decided to talk about one of things I have noticed so that I can hopefully make a positive out of a negative.

WIX will only be as good as the posts made. I know we have something to offer that will make WIX a great place.

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Here another view of mine over people crying about mods at work...

Warbird - what does it mean? Can you tell?

Usually it means a retired from service but restored and operated flying aircraft OR static museum item.
It can include related topics as restoration projects of said above or museum associated items such as airshow reviews, seeking information on a previous pilot or plane and maybe even artworks.

It doesnt include as i see it - a modern day aerobatic team, talks of a backpack mortar shell, what race Obama is or whatever and what is funny for the day.

A warbird is a warbird. I come here to read and share warbird related information.

If people cant talk or share information maybe they are at the wrong forum eh?

If people dont like a mod stepping up and removing stuff that isnt warbird related... as has been pointed out before .....they are free to go.
There are millions of other forums on the net for non warbird stuff. Just go to google...

I still dont understand why this forum has off topic stuff still here???
Am i the only confused warbird forum reader who doesnt see the connection of funny stuff and a warbird?

Phil

As someone who used to frequently get into p1ssing matches at the drop of a hat over my pet issues that really had nothing to do with warbirds but would show up occasionally in a thread, I'll say that the Hangar is a much better place now that the threads and posts pretty much stick to aircraft.

I hope that both members and mods stay focused on the fact that this site is set up to discuss warbirds, period, end of story, and not politics, religion, or even our own personal takes on patriotism. Can other elements legitimately enter into a thread? Of course. Nothing exists in a vacuum, and most things are related somehow, in some fashion, to each other.

But it's one thing to acknowledge, say, that the politics of Goering and the Nazi party may have influenced the type of planes Rudel and Galland flew and perhaps how they were deployed, and quite another to interject into the thread personal opinions about that party. The Hangar becomes a more friendly, interesting place to visit when we avoid the latter.

As far as postings that may be considered by some to be peripheral to warbirds, such as the Blue Angel's commander losing his job, being posted here, I say go for it. The Hangar gets more visits than the other enclaves at WIX, and if an interesting, military aviation related thread stays here for a while and the visits counter gets to spinning, then good has been done. Folks who would take umbrage at that always have the option of moving on to a different thread.

It seems to me that the Hangar is maturing, and it is my hope that both those who post and the mods will work together to continue the maturation.

When a post is moved, it would be nice to know where it was moved to. I've searched to no avail for a moved post more than once...

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In some cases you may be looking for a thread which has been vaporized...like the recent Rudel thread. It would be nice if they'd do something like cleanse the post and lock it so one knows not to waste time looking for it.

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My post on Rudel is a great example of just how easy it is to be completely misunderstood in front of a keyboard on the internet. and because of one mis-guided poster who couldn't seem to play nice, the thread is exploded. Probably for the best though ... It was with all good intentions I started that thread and the very first post threw it to h*ll in a hand basket. Nazi politics were never on my mind. Shame the PM's I got as well.

maybe taking your own advice would be a good thing
I wouldn't trade Rich or Dave for ya with your neg attitide or input

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I did not think I would be the kind of person to post something that was in a PM. But I will make an exception for you. Everyone be sure and pay close attention to the last line as this is the PM that he sent me. That is called baiting and it is against the rules. That thread turned stupid because of you and your apparant Nazi sympathies that you showed in that last message. And you did it on purpose as your own PM shows.

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Subject: The most highly decorated Nazi "serviceman" of WW2
Franklin wrote:
He was also extremely nieve when it came to politics.


So that made it okay to be an unrepentent Nazi? He understood very well what the Nazis had done in his later years. He still supported them.


Franklin wrote:
Were all Nazi's evil? I would have to say no.


Just for entertainment's sake, could you name off a few Nazis that were not evil? Do not even say Oscar Shindler. He profitted off the Jews long before he decided it was wrong!


Franklin wrote:
Disclaimer: I in no way dig Nazi's and especially Nazi war criminals, but I am a very enthusiastic historian of WW2 history. Whether it be the good guys or the bad guys.


I really do not see how you differentiate between good Nazis and bad Nazis (No I am not saying you are one or a supporter of them)



Franklin wrote:
[i]Evil. Malevolent. Unrighteous. All of these words one would usually use to describe a member of the Nazi party. However, this is not exactly fair. Think about it: along with all the negativity that was produced by the work of the Nazis, there were also quite a few bright moments.


Yes they made great leaps in medical science while they tortured people to death....


Franklin wrote:
Take, for example, how the Nazis promoted the exploration of the arts. The head honcho of the Nazis, [yes, Hitler himself,] first desired to be an artist rather than, say, a murderous dictator. If Hitler had been admitted into that Art Academy, who knows how different history may have changed? ].


So if Hitler had of gotten to go to his first choice of school instead of considering a junior college, he might not have tried to take over the world? Maybe you should get a netflix account and watch some of the documentaries about the Nazis and the art they looted from Jews and other people they conquered or tried to exterminate.


Franklin wrote:
They were also supporters of women's rights, taking them well ahead of their time-while most countries banned women from the military, Germany [under Nazi rule] encouraged female militant participation, allowing many women to fill recognized and important military offices.


That is true, they did let many women into the military. Several of them were guards are torturers in the camps. Who are a few other important Nazi women...I know! Hannah Reitsch...she was still an unrepentent Nazi at the time of her death too. But she did owe them a lot for her success so I guess that is ok.


Franklin wrote:
Hitler installed a universal health care system for all German citizens as well, something the United States still lacks today.


So did Hussein. Of course he was supposedly a big admirer of Hitler. You know, it is a shame he could not extend that courtesy to the millions of people he had murdered. I guess all the German citizens could have used that universal health care. Especially after he caused nearly all of their country to be decimated.


Franklin wrote:
All right, these accomplishments cannot compensate for the horrendous genocide that took place during Nazi domination. Nevertheless, the Nazis weren't idiots, as we like to ideally imagine "bad guys" or "evil doers;" a group that is able to win over an entire country and justify their political philosophy couldn't have been any pile of dumb cookies.


I do not think anybody would just say as a blanket statement that Nazis were idiots. A bunch of murdering, world dominating, exterminating, Jew hating, Gypsy hating, black hating, everybody but Aryan hating lunatics, maybe. But probably not idiots. That would be too much.


Franklin wrote:
So what's the main point? Nazis did not just kill Jews and burn books mindlessly; together, they worked to raise Germany out of a depression and into the modern world. If we fail to see this side of them, we will succumb to ignorant intolerance, which is exactly what Nazi genocide was based off of.


You have got to be f...ing kidding me??? Are you really serious? I do not even care if I do get banned from this board or told I can not play well with others or run off people because they think I am mean, but you are totally out of your mind!

I wonder what all those people he had murdered could have accomplished if they had lived?

There is no doubt that the Nazis came up with some pretty kick azz technology during their attempt to murder most of the world. And there is no doubt that many good things we enjoy in life today came from their misguided attempt to enslave or exterminate anybody that did not fit their mold of perfection.

You may very well just be a humble historian, but you are dam close to saying we should admire the Nazis.


.... hook, line and sinker

you need an attitude adjustment.

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