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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:59 pm 
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This is an interesting story that showed up in my email inbox. One helluva great story of some incredible pilot skills! Anyone ever seen this story before? Know if it's true?

Good read especially for those who may remember old shaky

Zero/Zero
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Charles Svoboda

It happened sometime in 1965, in Germany. I was a copilot, so I knew, everything there was to know about flying, and I was frustrated by pilots like my aircraft commander. He was one of those by-the-numbers types, no class, no imagination, no feel for flying. You have to be able to feel an airplane. So what if your altitude is a little off, or if the glideslope indicator is off a hair? If it feels okay then it is okay. That s what I believed. Every time he let me make an approach, even in VFR conditions, he demanded perfection. Not the slightest deviation was permitted. If you can t do it when there is no pressure, you surely can t do it when the pucker factor increases, he would say. When he shot an approach, it was as if all the instruments were frozen perfection, but no class.

Then came that routine flight from the Azores to Germany. The weather was okay; we had 45,000 pounds of fuel and enough cargo to bring the weight of our C-124 Globemaster up to 180,000 pounds, 5,000 pounds below the max allowable. It would be an easy, routine flight all the way. Halfway to the European mainland, the weather started getting bad. I kept getting updates by high frequency radio. Our destination, a fighter base, went zero/zero. Our two alternates followed shortly thereafter. All of France was down. We held for two hours, and the weather got worse. Somewhere I heard a fighter pilot declare an emergency because of minimum fuel. He shot two approaches and saw nothing. On the third try, he flamed out and had to eject.

We made a precision radar approach; there was nothing but fuzzy fog at minimums. The sun was setting. Now I started to sweat a little. I turned on the instrument lights. When I looked out to where the wings should be, I couldn't even see the navigation lights 85 feet from my eyes. I could barely make out a dull glow from the exhaust stacks of the closest engine, and then only on climb power. When we reduced power to maximum endurance, that friendly glow faded. The pilot asked the engineer where we stood on fuel. The reply was, I don t know--- we re so low that the book says the gauges are unreliable below this point. The navigator became a little frantic. We didn t carry parachutes on regular MAC flights, so we couldn t follow the fighter pilot s example. We would land or crash with the airplane.

The pilot then asked me which of the two nearby fighter bases had the widest runway. I looked it up and we declared an emergency as we headed for that field. The pilot then began his briefing. This will be for real. No missed approach. We ll make an ILS and get precision radar to keep us honest. Copilot, we ll use half flaps. That ll put the approach speed a little higher, but the pitch angle will be almost level, requiring less attitude change in the flare. Why hadn t I thought of that? Where was my feel and class now? The briefing continued, I ll lock on the gauges. You get ready to take over and complete the landing if you see the runway that way there will be less room for trouble with me trying to transition from instruments to visual with only a second or two before touchdown. Hey, he s even going to take advantage of his copilot, I thought. He s not so stupid, after all. Until we get the runway, you call off every 100 feet above touchdown; until we get down to 100 feet, use the pressure altimeter. Then switch to the radar altimeter for the last 100 feet, and call off every 25 feet. Keep me honest on the airspeed, also. Engineer, when we touch down, I ll cut the mixtures with the master control lever, and you cut all of the mags. Are there any questions? Let s go! All of a sudden, this unfeeling, by the numbers robot was making a lot of sense. Maybe he really was a pilot and maybe I had something more to learn about flying.

We made a short procedure turn to save gas. Radar helped us to get to the outer marker. Half a mile away, we performed the Before Landing Checklist; gear down, flaps 20 degrees. The course deviation indicator was locked in the middle, with the glideslope indicator beginning its trip down from the top of the case. When the GSI centered, the pilot called for a small power reduction, lowered the nose slightly, and all of the instruments, except the altimeter, froze. My Lord, that man had a feel for that airplane! He thought something, and the airplane, all 135,000 pounds of it, did what he thought. Five hundred feet, I called out, 400 feet ..300 feet .200 feet, MATS minimums .100 feet, Air Force minimums; I m switching to the radar altimeter ..75 feet nothing in sight 50 feet, still
nothing .25 feet, airspeed 100 knots, The nose of the aircraft rotated just a couple of degrees, and the airspeed started down. The pilot then casually said, Hang on, we re landing. Airspeed 90 knots .10 feet, here we go!

The pilot reached up and cut the mixtures with the master control lever, without taking his eyes off the instruments. He told the engineer to cut all the mags to reduce the chance of fire. CONTACT! I could barely feel it. As smooth a landing as I have ever known, and I couldn t even tell if we were on the runway, because we could only see the occasional blur of a light streaking by.

Copilot, verify hydraulic boost is on, I ll need it for brakes and steering. I complied. Hydraulic boost pump is on, pressure is up. The brakes came on slowly---we didn t want to skid this big beast now. I looked over at the pilot. He was still on the instruments, steering to keep the course deviation indicator in the center, and that is exactly where it stayed.

Airspeed, 50 knots. We might make it yet. Airspeed, 25 knots. We ll make it if we don t run off a cliff. Then I heard a strange sound. I could hear the whir of the gyros, the buzz of the inverters, and a low frequency thumping. Nothing else. The thumping was my pulse, and I couldn t hear anyone breathing. We had made it! We were standing still!

The aircraft commander was still all pilot. After-landing checklist, get all those motors, radar and unnecessary radios off while we still have batteries. Copilot, tell them that we have arrived, to send a follow me truck out to the runway because we can t even see the edges.

I left the VHF on and thanked GCA for the approach. The guys in the tower didn t believe we were there. They had walked outside and couldn t hear or see anything. We assured them that we were there, somewhere on the localize center line, with about half a mile showing on the DME.

We waited about 20 minutes for the truck. Not being in our customary hurry, just getting our breath back and letting our pulses diminish to a reasonable rate. Then I felt it. The cockpit shuddered as if the nose gear had run over a bump. I told the load master to go out the crew entrance to see what happened. He dropped the door (which is immediately in front of the nose gear) , and it hit something with a loud , metallic bang. He came on the interphone and said Sir, you ll never believe this. The follow-me truck couldn t see us and ran smack into our nose tire with his bumper, but he bounced off, and nothing is hurt.

The pilot then told the tower that we were parking the bird right where it was and that we would come in via the truck. It took a few minutes to get our clothing and to button up the airplane. I climbed out and saw the nose tires straddling the runway center line. A few feet away was the truck with its embarrassed driver. Total damage---one dent in the hood of the follow me truck where the hatch had opened onto it.

Then I remembered the story from Fate Is the Hunter. When Gann was an airline copilot making a simple night range approach, his captain kept lighting matches in front of his eyes. It scarred and infuriated Gann. When they landed, the captain said that Gann was ready to upgrade to captain. If he could handle a night-range approach with all of that harassment, then he could handle anything.

At last I understood what true professionalism is. Being a pilot isn t all seat-of-the-pants flying and glory. It s self- discipline, practice, study, analysis and preparation. It s precision.

If you can t keep the gauges where you want them with everything free and easy, how can you keep them there when everything goes wrong?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 8:10 am 
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Nice story. I was a GCA controller at Butterworth RAAF Base in Malaysia in the '70's. A RAAF C-130E inbound from Middle East on a Sunday morning after a 11 hour flight arrived with heavy tropical rain at the base. All alternates on the Malay Peninsular closed or required 60+ holding due to heavy monsoonal rain storms. Diversion not possible due to fuel state.

Two GCA's and the Herc couldn't find the runway in heavy rain. Advised me that if he misses the next one he'll require a vector out to sea behind Penang Island to ditch [30 SOB] - yikes! Better make this a good GCA [no ILS]....

Rain was so heavy that I could only see the radar return every few sweeps in the traffic pattern so much guess work. On GCA final same thing. Established aircraft on finals and talked down to touch-down. Only problem was I couldn't see the aircraft for the last 1/2 mile due rain. I didn't tell the pilot. It worked. The Captain of the Herc was cool and flew like it was on rails. Many Tiger lagers in the Mess after that little number. I paid for none...

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From someone who flew on "Old Shakey" back in the 50's .... thanks for the item as I really enjoyed it ...
From time to time, this old Radio Operator wears my self embroidered 124 hat.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:56 am 
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CrewDawg,

I was with the C-124's flying out of Dover during 1958-1966. We heard about the aircraft landing in fog so thick that the follow-me truck couldn't see it and struck it on the runway.. Just never heard all the details. Thanks for posting.

One night, about five years after this C-124 incident, we were in a Jetstar (VC-140B) and landed at Andrews AFB in thick fog. We stopped at the end of the runway and couldn't taxi because the fog was too thick. As we were sitting in the cockpit, waiting for the follow-me truck to come out to help guide us to the ramp, I remember talking about the C-124 incident.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:58 pm 
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My IP in this years recurrent is a old salt from the Air Force and has told this story many times....


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I remember reading this story years ago in the old "MAC Flyer" magazine about flying safety. Thanks for the memories!


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Thanks for posting -- I dang near broke into a sweat just reading that story.........

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