Mystery collection - anyone recognize it?

Chris Brame · **Posted:** Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:53 pm

Just saw this interesting post on jalopnik.com:

Quote:

In a weirder than weird story, I ended up selling the car to a guy, an American ex-pat, who had once been Adnan Kashoggi's yacht captain (Look it up if you haven't heard of him!) He wrote the (sadly small) check with a platinum pen given to him by King Hussein of Jordan.
Afterward, on a walk around his 300+ year old farm in Pahl (Bavaria), he showed me several of his antique airplanes including an antique replica of a Bleriot XI monoplane, several other antique original planes I wouldn't recognize, and, tucked away deep in his barn, a tiny experimental aircraft covered in swastikas that he told me had been last flown in the 1936 Olympics. He had recently recovered the historic aircraft from a trash heap in (then) Yugoslavia. It had been thrown out by the widow of the designer. Crazy, the people you cross paths with.

Anyone recognize who this may be, and what's the tiny swastika-covered airplane?

Rauhbatz · **Posted:** Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:18 pm

May not be that crazy....I seem to recollect one of ERnts Udet's stunt birds was found in Poland and was being restored...might even be a Curtiss hawk

DaveM2 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:25 pm

Chris

You got a direct link, photo isn't showing (for me anyway- or is that your sig photo?)

The surviving Udet Hawk has been on display at the Cracow Aviation Museum for decades. It found its way there in 1963.

The second Hawk was destroyed before 1936, Udet bailing out not long before it hit the ground during an aerobatic practice at Templehof.

Dave

Enemy Ace · **Posted:** Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:54 am

Hmmm.....
Chris could you please post a link to that Jalopnik thread?

mike furline · **Joined:** Wed May 05, 2004 3:45 pm **Posts:** 2635

DaveM2 wrote:

Chris

You got a direct link, photo isn't showing (for me anyway- or is that your sig photo?)

The surviving Udet Hawk has been on display at the Cracow Aviation Museum for decades. It found its way there in 1963.

The second Hawk was destroyed before 1936, Udet bailing out not long before it hit the ground during an aerobatic practice at Templehof.

Dave

Jerry O'Neill · **Posted:** Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:33 am

Definately Udet's Curtiss Hawk in the Polish museum. I doubt this one is in private hands.

JFS61 · **Joined:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:44 pm **Posts:** 305

Did they ever find out what happened to the second train carrying all the wings for the aircraft in the Polish Museum?

Chris Brame · **Posted:** Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:10 pm

Here's the link:
http://jalopnik.com/i-shipped-a-1960-ja ... -914103671
I think you'll recognize the fellow in Big Spring, Texas in the last comment!
And yes, that's my sig photo that's AWOL - My Photobucket account is in its usual end-of-the-month purgatory; sod 'em, I'm not paying ransom (they'll all be back on the 29th).

armyjunk2 · **Joined:** Wed May 16, 2007 8:15 pm **Posts:** 833

Has everyone seen this? he's buried in Berlin, I was there last summer

Mike · **Joined:** Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am **Posts:** 3331

Jerry O'Neill wrote:

Definately Udet's Curtiss Hawk in the Polish museum.

Which looks a little different these days! :wink:

And I doubt there was a 'second train with wings'. I would think that a more likely explanation is that the winters there are very cold, and wings make a ready source of firewood. I suspect the 'second train which never arrived' story was concocted later as an explanation.

DaveM2 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:17 am

Oh well that link didn't help any- no photos and no name...

AJ - wonder if any relatives still tend Udets grave. At least it wasn't destroyed during the Soviet occupation.

Fouga23 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:00 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peqMxtLLy4M

DaveM2 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:49 am

OK- here is the skinny from my German buddy:

"the collector had been the American Bill Murray, a furniture designer, and the town was Pähl at the lake of Ammersee. The experimenal aircraft was the Deicke ADM 11. The Deicke was found in the Munich area, not in Yugoslavia! Deickes widow lived together with the Yugoslavian and after her death this guy burnt the wings of the Deicke at barbecue fires and Murray could only save the fuselage. Meanwhile the Bitz workshop have reconstructed the wings again and the Deicke found its way to an Italian collector.
Murray, who was married with a German wife later returned in the USA and passed away several years ago"

airnutz · **Posted:** Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:22 am

At a blazing 22 hp...a real performer. Part of the interwar minimal aircraft crowd...
http://www.histaviation.com/Deicke.html

Mike · **Joined:** Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am **Posts:** 3331

Dave,

Are you sure that the train carrying the wings didn't just disappear? :wink:

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