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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:55 am 
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Remains Of Northrop Nomad Aircrew Removed From 1940 Crash-site in Lake Muskoka – Air Men To Be Laid To Rest Sept. 17

Posted by: David Pugliese
News release from DND:

OTTAWA, ONTARIO–(Marketwired – Sept. 13, 2013) – Nearly 72 years after the Nomad 3521 aircraft crash in December 1940, the remains of Flight Lieutenant Peter Campbell of the Royal Air Force and Leading Aircraftsman Theodore (Ted) Bates of the Royal Canadian Air Force have been successfully recovered. The remains of the airmen were located and recovered by members of the Royal Canadian Navy’s Fleet Diving Unit (Atlantic) during a dive to the aircraft wreckage in Lake Muskoka in October 2012.

“This recovery will provide closure to the families of Flight Lieutenant Campbell and Leading Aircraftsman Bates, as well as reassure them that the ultimate sacrifice made by their loved ones will never be forgotten,” said the Honourable Rob Nicholson, Minister of National Defence. “These airmen can now be laid to rest with the military honours that they so rightfully deserve.”

The Royal Canadian Navy’s Fleet Diving Unit (Atlantic) was tasked to survey the Nomad 3521 wreckage site as part of the Canadian Armed Forces Directorate of History and Heritage’s mandate to recover and identify Canada’s personnel. The recovery was a combined effort of the members of the community, who raised awareness about the existence of the aircraft, the Ontario Provincial Police’s Underwater Search and Recovery Unit, who surveyed and located the aircraft on July 27, 2010, and the Fleet Diving Unit (Atlantic), who recovered the remains, personal effects, and the aircraft’s three .30 calibre machine guns.

“This particular dive operation will certainly stay with the team forever,” said Lieutenant (Navy) Greg Oickle, Acting Commanding Officer of Fleet Diving Unit (Atlantic). “The divers’ persistence and exemplary work played a crucial role in the efforts to give these airmen the respect and dignity that they deserve. The team is proud to have been part of this homage to their military predecessors.”

The Royal Canadian Air Force is committed to the recovery of the Nomad aircraft. Planning for the necessary logistics of such a recovery and salvage operation, as well as the appropriate coordination with other interested parties, is underway.

Flight Lieutenant Campbell and Leading Aircraftsman Bates went missing on December 13, 1940, when their aircraft, Nomad 3521, was involved in a mid-air collision with another aircraft, Nomad 3512. Both aircraft were searching for a fellow airman who had gone missing during training the day before. Following the crash, only Nomad 3512 and its pilot and co-pilot were located. The Nomad 3521, with Flight Lieutenant Campbell and Leading Aircraftsman Bates onboard, remained missing.

Flight Lieutenant Campbell and Leading Aircraftsman Bates will be laid to rest in an interment ceremony set to take place on September 17, 2013, at Woodlawn Memorial Park in Guelph, Ont.

As discretion regarding this case is the best protection against disturbance of the crash site, information regarding the survey dive was kept in confidence until the interment was imminent, and a decision regarding the disposition of the aircraft had been made.

BACKGROUND INFORMATION:

In July 2010, after nearly 70 years spent under water, a Northrop Nomad aircraft, Nomad 3521, was located by the Ontario Provincial Police’s Underwater Search and Recovery Unit in Lake Muskoka. During a follow-up dive in October 2012, divers from the Royal Canadian Navy’s Fleet Diving Unit (Atlantic) recovered the remains of Flight Lieutenant Peter Campbell from the Royal Air Force, and Leading Aircraftsman Theodore (Ted) Bates from the Royal Canadian Air Force, on board the aircraft. The two airmen had been missing since December 13, 1940 following a mid-air collision with another aircraft. In addition to the remains, the Fleet Diving Unit (Atlantic) also recovered personal effects and secured the site by removing the aircraft’s three .30 calibre machine guns.

As discretion regarding this case is the best protection against disturbance of the crash site, information regarding the survey dive was kept in confidence until the interment was imminent, and a decision regarding the disposition of the aircraft had been made.

Background

Two aircraft, Nomad 3512 and Nomad 3521 from Camp Borden, collided on December 13, 1940 during a search and rescue mission. They were searching for Leading Aircraftsman Clayton Peder Hopton, who had gone missing while training.

The location of the first aircraft, Nomad 3512, was identified in January 1941, but the aircraft was not raised until April, once the ice on the lake had melted. The search for the second aircraft, Nomad 3521, was cancelled after the area where it was believed to be located had been inspected for several weeks without any results.

The search for Nomad 3521 did not resume until a group of Muskoka residents showed interest in the aircraft and created the Lost Airmen of Muskoka Project group to highlight the sacrifices made by the airmen who flew out of the Muskoka airport, and those from Camp Borden who lost their lives in the region during training accidents. In July 2010, the Ontario Provincial Police’s Underwater Search and Recovery Unit found the wreckage of Nomad 3521 by identifying personal items belonging to both airmen. The aircraft was found broken into several sections including the engine block, the fuselage, the tail section, the port wing and the starboard wing.

From October 10-18, 2012, the Royal Canadian Navy’s Fleet Diving Unit (Atlantic), with the assistance of the Ontario Provincial Police’s Underwater Search and Recovery Unit, were able to locate and recover remains of the two airmen. The recovery was a combined effort of the members of the community who raised awareness about the existence of the aircraft, the Ontario Provincial Police dive unit who surveyed and located the aircraft, and the Fleet Diving Unit (Atlantic) who recovered the remains.

The remains of Flight Lieutenant Campbell and of Leading Aircraftsman Bates were examined by the Ontario Forensic Pathology Service and the identity of the remains has been confirmed as those of the two airmen.

Interment Ceremony

Flight Lieutenant Campbell and Leading Aircraftsman Bates will be laid to rest at a private ceremony on September 17, 2013, in the presence of family members and representatives from the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Royal Air Force, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission and the Ontario Provincial Police Underwater Search and Recovery Unit. The recovery of the remains of Flight Lieutenant Campbell and Leading Aircraftsman Bates is a unique opportunity for the Department of National Defence, the Canadian Armed Forces and all fellow serving members involved in the recovery to honour Canada’s war dead.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:04 am 
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Stearman75972 wrote:

The Royal Canadian Air Force is committed to the recovery of the Nomad aircraft. Planning for the necessary logistics of such a recovery and salvage operation, as well as the appropriate coordination with other interested parties, is underway.

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That was the part I was looking for, too! The crew receives dignified burials and the Northrop A-17 family survivor list now stands at three (one at the NMUSAF, one on a pylon at FAP Las Palmas in Lima, Peru, and soon RCAF 3521). Win-win all around. I'll go fix the Wikipedia page.
Has anyone been able to tie up the Nomads' RCAF serials with their former USAAC serials?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:10 pm 
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Northrop Nomad 3521 was taken on strength with the RCAF at No. 1 Service Flying Training School (SFTS) at Camp Borden, Ontario on August 13, 1940. It was struck off charge on December 13, 1940 following the mid-air. No data is available on a manufacturer's serial number. I was at the Harvard Association open house today at Tillsonburg, Ontario and was talking to their underwater dive team about this very subject. They showed me an underwater sonar scan and some close up pictures of the wreckage. The engine broke off when it went through the lake ice as did the port wing. The fuselage and starboard wing lay next to each other. It is restorable at least to static configuration as it's all there. My hunch is, that it will go to the Canadian National Aviation Museum in Ottawa, Ontario. The guys at Tillsonburg were also telling me that most of the pieces making up the A-17 at Dayton are non aircraft parts.

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I forgot to mention, 32 Nomads served in the RCAF as drogue towing aircraft at Bombing & Gunnery Schools (B&GS).

Source - Canada's Air Force At War And Peace, Volume 1 by Larry Milberry.

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Interesting contrast between this and the Lake Sebago debacle.


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Here is a photo of an RCAF Nomad with my Uncle climbing aboard.

The remains of the crew are being buried in my hometown cemetery. I will be doing my best to attend.



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Burial will take place on Tuesday September 17th at 10:00 at Woodlawn Cemetery in Guelph Ontario.

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Jeff H wrote:
Burial will take place on Tuesday September 17th at 10:00 at Woodlawn Cemetery in Guelph Ontario.

Cheers,

Jeff


This morning in Guelph the funeral and commemoration for the two Airmen took place
Looking at the newspaper photo of Ted Bates , he is shown sitting in the cockpit of a Fleet Finch
The very type that I own .
Early this a.m. , I went out to the airport and prepped my Fleet as was done for funerals in WW1 (even though the airmen were from WW2) and that was to attach a wide black 15' streamers to the struts on each side of the aircraft.
This actually predates the missing man formation which was not possible as I was one aircraft .
The funeral procession arrived graveside at 10:00 am sharp and I performed 3 slow flight fly bys as the coffin was carried to the grave.
A fitting send off for two men that waited 70+ yrs to be interned

May they rest in piece

( a special note of thanks to WIXER Jeff H who help me to set this up and for being my eyes
on the ground )

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fleet16b wrote:
Jeff H wrote:
Burial will take place on Tuesday September 17th at 10:00 at Woodlawn Cemetery in Guelph Ontario.

Cheers,

Jeff


This morning in Guelph the funeral and commemoration for the two Airmen took place
Looking at the newspaper photo of Ted Bates , he is shown sitting in the cockpit of a Fleet Finch
The very type that I own .
Early this a.m. , I went out to the airport and prepped my Fleet as was done for funerals in WW1 (even though the airmen were from WW2) and that was to attach a wide black 15' streamers to the struts on each side of the aircraft.
This actually predates the missing man formation which was not possible as I was one aircraft .
The funeral procession arrived graveside at 10:00 am sharp and I performed 3 slow flight fly bys as the coffin was carried to the grave.
A fitting send off for two men that waited 70+ yrs to be interned

May they rest in piece

( a special note of thanks to WIXER Jeff H who help me to set this up and for being my eyes
on the ground )


Nice work, sounds like a very fitting tribute.

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A very moving ceremony to say the least.


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Very nice tribute. Well done. I'm sure the Finch was a welcome addition to the ceremony.


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Thank you for the photos of a very moving ceremony.

Re the surviving A-17s: Looks like I spoke too soon; there's yet a fourth A-17, and it's a fixed gear version unlike the other three:
http://www.aircraftwrecks.com/pages/a-17.htm
Anyone know more? Hopefully it can be recovered before it gets benign-neglected to bits like a certain B-17C...

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