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Originalboxcar · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:19 pm

Speaking of "ov" aircraft, Courtesy has had an ov-1d forsale for a while. Any restrictions on flying these as opposed to the ov-10? If not, then what's the difference?

regards,

t~

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:29 pm

the ov's physical lines always reminded me of a praying mantis insect. definetely unique in any profile!!

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

The American Wings Air Museum in Anoka - Blaine, MN, has several OV-1 airframes on display. One of them had a civilian registration (will look for the photos if you want), and was painted in an ugly yellowish green color.

I am positive that I have seen at least one and possibly two of their OV-1s being worked at the shop, in what to me looked like regular maintenance rather than a restoration.

Saludos,

Tulio

TimAPNY · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:27 pm

I've seen a couple flying in under Civi control. I'd have to check IDs on my pictures to see if the 3 I've seen are all different or not.

The Army Aviation Hertage group flys one, Air hertiage in Beaver Falls has 2 that are "airworthy", I'm not sure if they fly anymore.

I also saw on in Frederick MD at the CAF show in 1998 but I'm not sure whose that was.

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:28 pm

As you likely noted in another post, I recently visited the Carolinas Aviation Museum in Charlotte. They have two OV-1s...

#1...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/462 ... 9755SoiHJs
http://community.webshots.com/photo/462 ... 0231sIjQSb
http://community.webshots.com/photo/462 ... 0531iFVQlS

#2...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/462 ... 0786HLQwTd
http://community.webshots.com/photo/462 ... 0250ZMknoV

Mike

dj51d · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:46 pm

I'm not sure why the situation is different. The only restrictions flying the Mohawk that I'm aware of are the normal restrictions for an experimental multi-engine turbine aircraft.

As far as airworthy Mohawks American Wings has 3(and quite a few projects in storage).

64-14262/N134RV (currently flying)
68-15936/N134AW (currently not on flight status)
69-17021 (currently down for extensive maintainence in Duluth, MN)

TimAPNY · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:33 pm

I like that the last one has the ECM pod on it. Gives it a very different look.

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:10 pm

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like that the last one has the ECM pod on it.

Not a ECM pod. Remember the mission of the a/c. It's a SLAR
ie side looking airborne radar. We had a company of Mohawks here for many years.

TimAPNY · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:12 pm

I guess that is what I get for assuming :oops:

Now I know and Knowing is half the battle

RickH · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:56 pm

I tried to make the case that the OV-1 and OV-10 were developed with similar mission and the rules should be the same. We got nowhere. I believe that the ultimate reason was that the OV-10 had a definite COIN role and the OV-1 was reconnaisance. ( Never mind those hardpoints) I believe the other reason was that the OV-10 was USAF/Navy and the OV-1 was Army.

Randy Haskin · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:18 pm

RickH wrote:

I believe the other reason was that the OV-10 was USAF/Navy and the OV-1 was Army.

The ol' 'roles-and-missions' argument strikes again!

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:32 pm

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The ol' 'roles-and-missions' argument strikes again!

Randy,
I remember after Desert Storm there was only 2 happy F-14 pilots one was a released POW and the other downed a helo. The rest were pissed feeling that they (in there eyes) had no mission. The A-6 and F-18 got the targets, the glory and the medals. They almost went on strike, wanting a air-ground capability for the F-14.

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

RickH wrote:

..I believe that the ultimate reason was that the OV-10 had a definite COIN role and the OV-1 was reconnaisance. ( Never mind those hardpoints) ...

Guys:

A few years back, I co-wrote an article with messrs. Javier Mosquera and Vladimiro Cettolo, titled "Mohawks over the Pampas" briefly documenting the OV-1s in service with the Argentinean Army.

As you can see from one of the photos below, some of them are flown with rocket lauchers, and have participated in exercises for COIN work.

Argentina received 23 OV-1s, as follows:

23 Mohawks:

10 OV-1Ds
11 OV-1Cs
02 OV-1Bs

The credit for all the photos goes to Javier Mosquera, Vladimiro Cettolo and Tulio Soto.

From memory (I have yet to get back home and consult my data) the SLAR equipped OV-1s (OV-1JD IIRC) were part of a project called either "Seymour" or "Seemore" during the VietNam war, aimed at obtaining better intel through the use of the SLAR.

Many of the Argentinean Mohawks have been placed in storage, due to lack of funding or due to lack of spares.

Last, if anyone wants a copy of the article, please PM me.

Saludos,

Tulio

dj51d · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:52 pm

I have heard of the Mohawk being armed with 2.75" rockets and .50 caliber machine gun pods. I think the key difference as far as the US Govt. is concearned is that, "oficially", the Mohawk does not carry any armament.

The Vietnam era project was called called SEAMORE(South East Asia MOhawk REvision), and involved upgraded SLAR and IR sensors. The SEAMORE project modified 4 Mohawks, 2 Bs and 2Cs. The Bs carried an upgraded SLAR, the Cs did not. Of the 4 SEAMORE aircraft, both Bs were lost in action, one of the Cs scrapped, and the last remaining SEAMORE is in storage at American Wings.

OV-1C 61-2718 SEAMORE
The OV-1 Mohawk Association has some information about the SEAMORE project here

Randy Haskin · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:05 pm

Jack Cook wrote:

The rest were pissed feeling that they (in there eyes) had no mission. The A-6 and F-18 got the targets, the glory and the medals. They almost went on strike, wanting a air-ground capability for the F-14.

Interestingly, the F-15C pilots *aren't* saying that...even though they played practically no role in Afghanistan or Iraq. In fact, they were *sent home* from Iraqi Freedom in 2003 because, to quote LG Mosely, the CENTAF Commander, they were 'taking up too much gas'.

But...they light-gray boys continue to deny-deny-deny and think they still have a role in the modern battlespace.

They can keep telling themselves that from their home-squadron bars while the rest of us are out doing the real business for America.

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