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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:17 pm 
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G'Day WIX

My names Kerman and I run the Warbird Preservation Group. We are looking at conducting a mission in 2020 to travel to Russia and recover a bunch of warbirds to return to flight. Our inspiration is the restoration of the Ishaks and Chaikas undertaken by Sir Tim Wallis. We want to recover any warbirds, Yak, La, Bf, FW, Me, MiG, it doesn't matter. Any addition to the warbird scene is a good one in our opinion. So we are looking for any full or partial wrecks in Russia or surrounding countries. If not wrecks then barnyard aircraft or any derelict WW2 aircraft. We have been looking online for about 6 months and have come up with very little info, so we reach out to WIXers who always seem to come through. Any resources or info will be much appreciated as is your support on our mission.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:56 am 
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Hey Kerman, how 'bout museums in & around Russia? They may want more $, but ya never know! I always think about that P-38 cockpit/nose section in (I'd have to look it up) a eastern museum ??? Good Luck, Tony

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Admirable, however if you are without any trustworthy locals 'on the ground' to assist it will be impossible to succeed (archival research, transport to remote areas, and should an aircraft be found - recovery equipment to and from said remote areas, export paperwork etc etc.) Very few have managed this - off the top of my head - Jim Pearce/Mike Walton, Sir Tim, Gordon Page & Chris Vanhee. A couple of other members here have some experience as well.
I wouldn't get too caught up in the barnyard, forgotten hangars 'treasures' angle, my Russian friends have been doing this sort of thing for 30 years and scoff at such fantasies, one thing is for sure, if they have never found any with their knowledge,there is almost no chance you will. But on the other hand, people sometimes win Lotto :wink:
You are also unlikely to 'break' into the 'scene' without some hefty finance behind you and are prepared to risk a substantial amount of it

It would be interesting to know how far your research has taken you to date. Any particular reason you have settled on 2020?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:10 am 
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TBM Tony wrote:
Hey Kerman, how 'bout museums in & around Russia? They may want more $, but ya never know! I always think about that P-38 cockpit/nose section in (I'd have to look it up) a eastern museum ??? Good Luck, Tony


P-38 is in Belgrade, and an attempt to export it to the US has already been blocked within the last year or so.

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I'm not in a position to discuss Belgrade but it is a museum and the other aircraft look to be in exceptional condition considering what I've seen so for now I'm not too worried about that P-38. Great idea though I will be sure to look into the other museums and that in Russia and surrounding areas. Thanks!
Also thanks for the response Dave, I like the constructive criticism. Yes it will hard and cost-worthy but it's something I'm passionate about doing. I will have to learn a bit of Russian at least and do some scouting first to as you said, gain trust, but where would I start I need to know about the wreck to know who to talk to about it. I will also look into the other blokes who have pulled it off. Thanks for the barnyard advice, I won't spend much time if any on that. :)
Also I chose 2020 mainly cause its a nice number, scouting may take place before that or after and same goes with the actual recovery. 2020 gives me about 5 years to break into the scene and raise funds. In that time I will establish the museum or group in the conventional way, buy a complete aircraft or a couple of projects before tackling such a huge job and investment. Maybe I might get time to recover something closer to home, Solomon Islands maybe, longshot getting export permission there though.
I am already collecting what I can and that can be found on my other posts.
Thanks for the info guys. Feel free to contribute anyone else?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:11 am 
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ProudKerman wrote:

but where would I start I need to know about the wreck to know who to talk to about it. )

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Hi Kerman

Therein lies the problem- none of the people I mentioned discovered the wrecks themselves, they ended up being the owners further down the line, some like Sir Tim, in partnership with the Russians. They in turn have sold the aircraft to others collectors, as some, like Jim Pearce, are brokers.

The Russians find leads to losses and possible wrecks in the State archives, follow up with locals where possible, and usually spend long hours on supposed location searching - more often than not coming up with nothing. If they find something, they can of course make their outlay back and a whole lot more depending on what it is. But if not, the cost of the search is a financial loss for them.
Sometimes they will find and recover the wreck and store it, either awaiting a sale or funds to restore it. I know my friends have a Junkers 52 and Hurricane in each of those categories.

Once in a while the wreck hunters will receive a report of a possible find which has been stumbled across by a local, which is of course the easiest way of locating a wreck. Of course whomever found it has to realize it might be worth more than scrap value! A Hs 129 wreck was discovered and scrapped in the 1990s- because none who found it had any idea of what they had.
Collectors like Jerry Yagen will sometimes sponsor search expeditions, this maybe your best option.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:42 am 
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Once again thanks a heap Dave for the great advice.
I'll have to follow up on Tony's idea aswell thanks.
It's clear I'm going to have to do a lot more research into the guys that have pulled it off. Also I realize now the idea of finding the wrecks personally is next to impossible. I think I'll leave the Russians to find the wrecks in Russia since they have a huge advantage over me. I will definitely look into buying from the Russians that recover the wrecks. I guess I need some friends like your hey Dave ;) But seriously I do need contacts in Russia. I don't have near the funds that Jerry has but it's also something to look into.
Also I've decided to continue trying to locate some wrecks here in Aus. I've got a few leads at the moment I'm trying to follow up, just haven't got the time yet to go the archives or do any proper exploration.

Thanks again guys I appreciate all your help,


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