Hawker Hunter down in UK today>

Invader26 · **Joined:** Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:56 am **Posts:** 843

Hawker Hunter crashed in UK at a Battle of Britain airshow..

Pilot may have survived - fingers crossed..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... -Show.html

JFS61 · **Joined:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:44 pm **Posts:** 305

Apparently it crashed into a highway - Looks like there may be a number of casualties on the ground.

Hoping for the best.

JFS61 · **Joined:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:44 pm **Posts:** 305

Latest reports are that 2 cyclists on the ground were killed, with additional casualties (condition not stated) as well.

Thoughts & prayers to the families.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... am-Airshow

Firebird · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:08 am

Video here - awful :cry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz0ZOpquWdg&feature=youtu.be

hbtcoveralls · **Joined:** Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:51 pm **Posts:** 151

That is truly terrible, the classic show routine error, mis-judged low level loop trying to correct by hauling back on the stick and in the process exceeding the critical angle of attack. At that altitude there's no way out and you hit the ground pancaking in a deep stall. It hurts even more because I've seen it in person, at a different airshow, and I've seen it so often on video. Condolences to all concerned, maybe it will eventually be time to do away with low level aerobatics at airshows once and for all. Too many good people gone.
Tom Bowers

Firebird · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:43 am

hbtcoveralls wrote:

That is truly terrible, the classic show routine error, mis-judged low level loop trying to correct by hauling back on the stick and in the process exceeding the critical angle of attack. At that altitude there's no way out and you hit the ground pancaking in a deep stall.

Flaps may have dropped/failed prior to loop entry on on initial pull up......and pilot not been aware to allow abandoning manoevure at top of loop....?

JFS61 · **Joined:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:44 pm **Posts:** 305

hbtcoveralls wrote:

Condolences to all concerned, maybe it will eventually be time to do away with low level aerobatics at airshows once and for all. Too many good people gone.

There seem to have been quite a few of these at English airshows over the years - A-26, P-38, Mosquito, Firefly, and now this one. I imagine that this crash will probably precipitate a bureaucratic crackdown on these displays in the UK, as pilots getting killed is one thing, but civilians on the ground quite another.

Nathan · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:24 am

I've noticed the flying in the UK is more aggressive. I enjoy seeing a warbird doing that type of flying, but. We can still and should still be able to see loops and rolls and turns but at a more gentle rate. I'm afraid that airshows will be banned if these things keep happening.

fiftycal · **Joined:** Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:20 am **Posts:** 306

JFS61 wrote:

hbtcoveralls wrote:

Condolences to all concerned, maybe it will eventually be time to do away with low level aerobatics at airshows once and for all. Too many good people gone.

There seem to have been quite a few of these at English airshows over the years - A-26, P-38, Mosquito, Firefly, and now this one. I imagine that this crash will probably precipitate a bureaucratic crackdown on these displays in the UK, as pilots getting killed is one thing, but civilians on the ground quite another.

of course they will now ban all air shows and most warbirds, the uk is full of f**s

Matt Gunsch · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:36 am

Firebird wrote:

hbtcoveralls wrote:

That is truly terrible, the classic show routine error, mis-judged low level loop trying to correct by hauling back on the stick and in the process exceeding the critical angle of attack. At that altitude there's no way out and you hit the ground pancaking in a deep stall.

Flaps may have dropped/failed prior to loop entry on on initial pull up......and pilot not been aware to allow abandoning manoevure at top of loop....?

it appears that the flaps are down in the this photo as well

airmanual · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:32 am **Posts:** 240

fiftycal wrote:

JFS61 wrote:

hbtcoveralls wrote:

Condolences to all concerned, maybe it will eventually be time to do away with low level aerobatics at airshows once and for all. Too many good people gone.

There seem to have been quite a few of these at English airshows over the years - A-26, P-38, Mosquito, Firefly, and now this one. I imagine that this crash will probably precipitate a bureaucratic crackdown on these displays in the UK, as pilots getting killed is one thing, but civilians on the ground quite another.

of course they will now ban all air shows and most warbirds, the uk is full of f**s

Fiftycal looks like you unfortunately never miss a chance to be disgusting! For your info There are now already 7 confirmed deaths in the public from this tragic accident and is most likely going to rise.

Moderators time to do your work.

Laurent

fiftycal · **Joined:** Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:20 am **Posts:** 306

Lightninglover · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:53 am

Update here. Looks really tragic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... -Live.html

Rauhbatz · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:05 pm

End of jet acro I think...the Gnat a few weeks back and now the Hunter with ground loss of life.

Would suspect FAA will likely weigh in on this as well

hbtcoveralls · **Joined:** Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:51 pm **Posts:** 151

Matt Gunsch wrote:

Firebird wrote:

hbtcoveralls wrote:

That is truly terrible, the classic show routine error, mis-judged low level loop trying to correct by hauling back on the stick and in the process exceeding the critical angle of attack. At that altitude there's no way out and you hit the ground pancaking in a deep stall.

Flaps may have dropped/failed prior to loop entry on on initial pull up......and pilot not been aware to allow abandoning manoevure at top of loop....?

it appears that the flaps are down in the this photo as well

Flaps may have been extended for the routine in general, being low speed maneuvering of a high speed aircraft. From the video and the aircraft's attitude it still looks to me like the aircraft was in fact in a stall when it impacted. Even an aircraft that appears to be in level flight can be in a full stall if the critical angle of attack of the descending aircraft is exceeded. If this maneuver had been done at 5000'AGL (instead of what looks to me like 2000' AGL with a bottom below regular pattern altitude) it should have been entirely recoverable.
Tom Bowers

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