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Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:07 pm

I read with a lot of interest about the brief mentioning that there might be a real Stuka with the Flying Heritage Collection. Does anyone have any real information as to is it bits and pieces of some wreckage, or major parts that have been acquired? IM wondering just what FHC has to work with. Also might there be any chance if this Stuka exist that somewhere down the road the world might be surprised with the real deal?
I only personally know of two the one in Chicago, and I keep thinking one in Germany itself somewhere. Thanks in advance to anyone who might have some knowledge of a Stuka at FHc.

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:20 pm

There is a substantially complete airframe in the Berlin Technik museum...but it will remain there unrestored.

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Jim

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:31 pm

The Stuka owned by FHC is reported to be Ju 87 R-2 WkNr. 0875709, that was recovered in Russia and brought to the UK in 1998, and FHC acquired it at some point after that - this was first reported on at least/over 10 years ago through "Classic Wings" magazine. It had been reported by that time that FHC had also purchased other Stuka-related parts/engines/etc.

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:40 pm

- Does anyone know what have happened to Glenn Lacey Ju87R/4 6234 project registered G-STUK from 2003 to 2007?

http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplic ... gmark=STUK
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Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:45 pm

Ed the two complete Stuka survivors are in Chicago and London.

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/co ... s-ju87g-2/

Really hope to see a flyer someday!

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:25 pm

there must have been some photos taken of the Stuka while in the UK?

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:32 pm

BenG wrote:Does anyone know what have happened to Glenn Lacey Ju87R/4 6234 project registered G-STUK from 2003 to 2007?

http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplic ... gmark=STUK


I may be wrong but I thought at the time that there was some debate as to whether Glenn Lacey actually owned some of the aircraft he had registered, or even whether some actually existed. I think the Stuka was one of those registered but not owned.

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:59 pm

JohnTerrell wrote:The Stuka owned by FHC is reported to be Ju 87 R-2 WkNr. 0875709, that was recovered in Russia and brought to the UK in 1998, and FHC acquired it at some point after that - this was first reported on at least/over 10 years ago through "Classic Wings" magazine. It had been reported by that time that FHC had also purchased other Stuka-related parts/engines/etc.


Bottom image is the FHC example. The top image is the example that was claimed to be owned by Glen Lacey.
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Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:01 pm

sandiego89 wrote:Really hope to see a flyer someday!
I don't.
Maybe it's the heretic in me, but something that rare, I feel, shouldn't be flown even if someone managed to get one airworthy. There are what, only two complete ones left on earth, right?

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:51 pm

p51 wrote:
sandiego89 wrote:Really hope to see a flyer someday!
I don't.
Maybe it's the heretic in me, but something that rare, I feel, shouldn't be flown even if someone managed to get one airworthy. There are what, only two complete ones left on earth, right?



They got the only IL-2 flying so might as well add the Stuka, they keep them maintained well so I would not worry.

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:01 pm

While initially there was talk of a salvage, now there is apparently no will or desire by the Italians or the Croatians to get this Stuka out of the water. Other than removing the weapons, they have left it for the scuba divers to plunder. A waste for a rare example that is so complete.

You have a mostly intact airframe from tail to firewall, which is extremely rare for a Stuka wreck. The fishing nets haven't torn it up yet. There is a lot to work with from a reverse-engineering perspective since the original factory drawings are difficult to find or lost to time. I think this could yield a flyer after using it for a pattern.
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Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:59 pm

The completeness of that Croat/Italian one is amazing, but is it in seawater?

I have total confidence that the FHC example will be the first "warbird" one to fly, and that others could follow.

Re: Stuka Restorations

Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:20 pm

p51 wrote:
sandiego89 wrote:Really hope to see a flyer someday!
I don't.
Maybe it's the heretic in me, but something that rare, I feel, shouldn't be flown even if someone managed to get one airworthy. There are what, only two complete ones left on earth, right?


I would argue that any airworthy example would be more of a reproduction than an original. The potential restoration projects don't look like they are going to yield a lot of airworthy parts...

Re: Stuka Restorations

Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:27 am

At the end of the day majority of wrecks found these days and the restorations that follow are practically rebuilds anyway. Gone are the days of pulling something out of the ground or jungle and having a nice wreck to restore. I would be grateful for a reproduction aircraft.

Re: Stuka Restorations

Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:44 am

Or this JU-87 recovered and now on display in Greece.
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