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I know this is not overly relevant on this forum, but when did you last see a WWII era Aircraft Carrier for sale. :shock:

http://www.shiplink.info/contents1.asp?refno=3893

Good to see they won't sell it for scrap.

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"but when did you last see a WWII Aircraft Carrier for sale. "

Actually, not too long ago, when the former USS Cabot (ex-Spanish Navy) was put up for sale, there were no takers, and it eventually ended up somewhere near the Texas-Louisiana area, where as far as I know, it was broken up.

The carrier on your posting served with the Brazilian Navy as the NAeL Minas Gerais, and was replaced by the NAeL Sao Paulo.

I am sure that most components were removed from the carrier before the Brazilians were through with it, and it is no more than a hulk with a very high price tag IMHO.

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This one is in South America North

This is a mystery by itself. :roll:

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Almost 100% sure that it is the former Minas Gerais.

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The ex-HMS Vengance was touted for sale about a year ago, by (IIRC) a Canadian ship-broker, with no sale. As Tulio guesses, it's almost certain this is the same ship - HMS Vengance, later Minas Gerais, a Colossus Class Carrier. After all, there's not a lot of carriers about.

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http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/vengeance/

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/brazil.htm

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/4181.html

Given that the UK has no preserved Carriers of its own, it's an obvious museum ship option, but I guess the IWM (owners of HMS Belfast) don't have the ready cash!

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I'm sure there was a UK campaign to save this vessel and bring it back to the UK as the last of our WW2 carriers, well frankly the Royal Navy could do with a spare now!

Pop quiz-

Name the last surviving battleship from Pearl Harbor and who sunk it...

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The details check out as this being HMS Vengeance/Minas Gerais.

There's only one slight problem:

http://www.hms-vengeance.co.uk/farewell.htm
http://www.hms-vengeance.co.uk/farewell2.htm
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Tulio, sadly you are right....The USS Cabot/SNS Dedalo was finally scrapped in 2000.... See this site http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/cabot/. The last of the light WW ll carriers.

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i've got a couple of outboard motors....... i can run the carrier for cheap!!!! about 1 inch per 100 gallons of fuel. by the year 3000 i may make it a mile.

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Hey TomCat, Was that the Pennsylvania and wasn't she sunk in the Crossroads A-bomb test ?


And Speaking of out-boards, last summer we took a boat ride on Moosehead Lake up in the North Woods(also did a B-52 crash site), and saw a home made work barge built with two 10000gal fuel tanks and sporting 2 Honda 150 outboard motors mounted on a hydraulic lift for adjusting their height according to the load. Quite impressive.

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If this is the Vengeance, and I think it is, she was cut up for scrap in India over a year ago. They dragged her onto a beach and cut her up where she lay... a very undignified end to the last Royal Navy carrier which saw combat in the second world war. Wouldn't have cost much to buy her... but maintaining her was a whole different story!

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Well guys -

I thought it was the USS Phoenix which became the General Belgrano and was sunk in the Falklands in 1982...... but you chaps seem to know more about the whole thang than me!

real shame about the carrier though it would have been wonderful to have a UK equivalent of Intrepid....

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RMAllnutt wrote:
If this is the Vengeance, and I think it is, she was cut up for scrap in India over a year ago. They dragged her onto a beach and cut her up where she lay... a very undignified end to the last Royal Navy carrier which saw combat in the second world war. Wouldn't have cost much to buy her... but maintaining her was a whole different story!

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See my post above.
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TEXANTOMCAT wrote:
Well guys -

I thought it was the USS Phoenix which became the General Belgrano and was sunk in the Falklands in 1982...... but you chaps seem to know more about the whole thang than me!

real shame about the carrier though it would have been wonderful to have a UK equivalent of Intrepid....

TT


Phoenix/Belgrano was a cruiser rather than a battleship though.

I agree about Vengeance, it would have been wonderful. Though I guess the economics of it were just too much.
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