Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:22 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Luftwaffe Resource Center
When Hollywood Ruled The Skies - Volumes 1 through 4 by Bruce Oriss


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:07 pm 
Offline
WRG Editor
WRG Editor
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:43 pm
Posts: 5614
Location: Somerset, MA & Johnston, RI
Image
American troops examining a German Fw 190 A-5 in the Tachikawa plant in the Tokyo Prefecture, 1945. The aircraft had been shipped to Japan in 1943 and flown for evaluation purposes.

_________________
Scott Rose
Editor-In-Chief/Webmaster
Warbirds Resource Group - Warbird Information Exchange - Warbird Registry

Be civil, be polite, be nice.... or be elsewhere.
-------------------------------------------------------
This site is brought to you with the support of members like you. If you find this site to be of value to you,
consider supporting this forum and the Warbirds Resource Group with a VOLUNTARY subscription
For as little as $2/month you can help ($2 x 12 = $24/year, less than most magazine subscriptions)
So If you like it here, and want to see it grow, consider helping out.


Image

Thanks to everyone who has so generously supported the site. We really do appreciate it.

Follow us on Twitter! @WIXHQ


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:07 pm 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:29 pm
Posts: 4527
Location: Dallas, TX
That's fascinating.

_________________
Aerial Photographer with Red Wing Aerial Photography currently based at KRBD and tailwheel CFI.
Websites: Texas Tailwheel Flight Training, DoolittleRaid.com and Lbirds.com.

The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD. - Prov. 21:31 - Train, Practice, Trust.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:22 pm 
Offline
WRG Editor
WRG Editor
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:43 pm
Posts: 5614
Location: Somerset, MA & Johnston, RI
RyanShort1 wrote:
That's fascinating.


I knew the Japanese evaluated the Bf 109 but didn't realize they had done the same with the Fw 190.

_________________
Scott Rose
Editor-In-Chief/Webmaster
Warbirds Resource Group - Warbird Information Exchange - Warbird Registry

Be civil, be polite, be nice.... or be elsewhere.
-------------------------------------------------------
This site is brought to you with the support of members like you. If you find this site to be of value to you,
consider supporting this forum and the Warbirds Resource Group with a VOLUNTARY subscription
For as little as $2/month you can help ($2 x 12 = $24/year, less than most magazine subscriptions)
So If you like it here, and want to see it grow, consider helping out.


Image

Thanks to everyone who has so generously supported the site. We really do appreciate it.

Follow us on Twitter! @WIXHQ


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 2:03 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:37 pm
Posts: 672
Scott Rose wrote:
I knew the Japanese evaluated the Bf 109 but didn't realize they had done the same with the Fw 190.


The rising sun emblem is curiously absent at the end of the war. I wonder if this photo is doctored then? Japan was also getting an Me-262, and I think the Ta-152 unless examples of those went down in a sub.
Image

_________________
"They done it, they done it, damned if they ain't flew." December 17, 1903


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:22 am
Posts: 640
Location: VA, USA
That's fantastic. I had never heard of it.

Wish someone had taken a photo of it sitting in the U-Boat with sausages and bags of potatoes hanging off it!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:39 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:37 pm
Posts: 672
Richard W. wrote:
That's fantastic. I had never heard of it.

Wish someone had taken a photo of it sitting in the U-Boat with sausages and bags of potatoes hanging off it!


A crated Me-262 was delivered to Japan in late April of 1945 by U-234. Also delivered were technical drawings, weapons, medical supplies. U-234 was captured by US forces on the return voyage home and was sunk as a target in 1947.

_________________
"They done it, they done it, damned if they ain't flew." December 17, 1903


Last edited by DoraNineFan on Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:13 pm
Posts: 433
Interesting, that was pretty close to the first test of the Nakajima Kikka in June 1945.

_________________
A Little VC10derness - A Tribute to the Vickers VC10 - www.VC10.net


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:07 am 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!

Joined: Mon May 21, 2012 12:28 pm
Posts: 1199
DoraNineFan wrote:
Richard W. wrote:

......A crated Me-262 was delivered to Japan in late April of 1945 by U-234. Also delivered were technical drawings, weapons, medical supplies. U-234 was captured by US forces on the return voyage home and was sunk as a target in 1947.


I don't think U-234 ever made it to Japan with the final load of cargo, but surrendered in Maine and then to Newfoundland before she got to Japan. Sources vary on the cargo, and there has been much speculation of what she really carried, especially the uranium, but I somehow doubt a crated Me-262 as per wiki. I cant imagine a 262 knocking down to sizes that would fit through the hatches? Wiki says she had some of her mine tubes converted to cargo, but the 262 is large for a WWII fighter. Perhaps drawing and few crated pieces like some Jumo engines?

Any evidence of a 262 making it to Japan? I understand other types made it there like a disassembled me-163 and the 190 that stated the thread.

I think the link between the 262 and the Kikka is overblown. Obviously "inspired" by the 262 and Japanese representatives had seen it it Germany, and similar layout, but quite a bit of differences and the Kikka is quite a bit smaller.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:05 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:37 pm
Posts: 672
sandiego89 wrote:
DoraNineFan wrote:
Richard W. wrote:

......A crated Me-262 was delivered to Japan in late April of 1945 by U-234. Also delivered were technical drawings, weapons, medical supplies. U-234 was captured by US forces on the return voyage home and was sunk as a target in 1947.


I don't think U-234 ever made it to Japan with the final load of cargo, but surrendered in Maine and then to Newfoundland before she got to Japan. Sources vary on the cargo, and there has been much speculation of what she really carried, especially the uranium, but I somehow doubt a crated Me-262 as per wiki. I cant imagine a 262 knocking down to sizes that would fit through the hatches? Wiki says she had some of her mine tubes converted to cargo, but the 262 is large for a WWII fighter. Perhaps drawing and few crated pieces like some Jumo engines?

Any evidence of a 262 making it to Japan? I understand other types made it there like a disassembled me-163 and the 190 that stated the thread.

I think the link between the 262 and the Kikka is overblown. Obviously "inspired" by the 262 and Japanese representatives had seen it it Germany, and similar layout, but quite a bit of differences and the Kikka is quite a bit smaller.


It makes more sense. I am also reading multiple descriptions that there were only the technical drawings. I'm not sure if original USN Intelligence documents would clarify if those are available. From the descriptions, the Germans crammed everything that they could into the empty spaces of U-234.

_________________
"They done it, they done it, damned if they ain't flew." December 17, 1903


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:03 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 7:02 am
Posts: 334
Location: Up the Hill,Norwest from Brizzy
The Japanese Me163 was designed off a few engineering drawings off memory.

_________________
If the CO ask,s you to be Tail End Charlie...Just Shoot Him..A Piece of Cake


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:13 pm
Posts: 433
sandiego89 wrote:
I think the link between the 262 and the Kikka is overblown. Obviously "inspired" by the 262 and Japanese representatives had seen it it Germany, and similar layout, but quite a bit of differences and the Kikka is quite a bit smaller.

I agree, but they went from 'inspired by' to the next project, the Nakajima Ki-201 Karyƫ, which had a lot more similarities. In a sense, you could argue that the Kikka, the Karyƫ, the Me262 and the He280 shared a design pedigree, where the Meteor went in a slightly different direction and the Bell P-59 found another way to 'hide' two engines. I wasn't aware of the Me262 having been shipped there, although I understand from the previous posts that we may have to take that one with a pinch of salt.

_________________
A Little VC10derness - A Tribute to the Vickers VC10 - www.VC10.net


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 11 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot], Noha307 and 281 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group