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Very interesting reading, sorry if this has been posted previously.

http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.p ... 91&ntpid=6

Very interesting indeed!
Let's hope they get that ROV down there soon.

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And I was thinking they found it on the Moon.

I hope they recover the crew and give them the respect they deserve.

Tim

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The wreck looked remarkably "unbent" .

Well, if they bailed out, at least they were careful enough to close the canopy after themselves

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Pilot: "Flap switch works hard in down position."
Mechanic: "Flap switch checked OK. Pilot needs more P.T." - Flight report, TB-17G 42-102875 (Hobbs AAF)

at what depth is the crash??

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500 feet... according to the Capital Times article posted by Chad.

This sounds like a conversation between Mulder and Sculley!

(Que the X-files theme -- now -- )

At what point will the military get involved with the recovery of the aircraft or atleast the crew?



I hope the crew is brought home and put to rest but what a "mindf@ck" that would be, if when opened up there were no remains in the Scorpian?

Has anyone got a serial # for this bird? I looked on JB's website but came up empty.

Shay
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My dad was an F-89C radar observer or R/O (backseater) in the 433rd Fighter Interceptor Squadron at Truax during the time they lost both of those jets. He was actually scheduled to fly in the F-89C on the sortie that crashed into the arboretum near Lake Wingra, but since he was doing additional duties as PX (post exchange) officer that day (driving to Milwaukee to purchase inventory), he didn't fly. His supervisor, the Squadron Radar Observer (aka chief R/O) Capt Collins took the sortie in his place. Capt Collins had phoned the PX that morning looking for dad to fly that sortie and was told he was gone to Milwaukee. When dad got back from his buying trip, he was stunned at the news of the crash and the news from his secretary that Capt Collins had called for him to fly that sortie. I talked to dad on the phone today after I saw this article and he said the claim that the cause of the arboretum crash was mechanical was untrue. The real cause was the pilot was trying to go supersonic--a stunt dad said his squadronmates performed from time to time in the F-89. He said the maneuver had to be entered above 40,000 feet in an extremely steep dive and the pull-out initiated above 30,000 feet in order to recover safely. He said the whole squadron was debriefed on the cause and that's what they concluded. At the time, dad was dating my mother, a UW-Madison student at the time and when she heard the KABOOM of the aircraft crash near the campus, she was gripped with panic till dad called her later in the afternoon to tell her he was safe. He was heartened that the families of the Lake Superior crash victims may have some closure to the mystery. All he knew of that crash was the airplane disappeared over Lake Superior and was never heard from again. I mentioned about the UFO element and he said he'd never heard that part of it. Thanks for posting the story.

The remains of the F-89 don't look right. In My opinion.
The wing separation looks too clean, and the fuselage too intact following what would have been a high speed water impact.

A low speed impact? I don't think they would have attemped a controlled ditching...that's why there are ejection seats. Though I don't have a copy of the F-89 Dash One (pilots handbook) at hand. I can't believe a ditching would have been attempted since low set air intakes would not be conducive to any water landing attempt.

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Remember JB, this is a sound produced image. In both shots we were given,
the wing separation area is on the leeside of the target. The 1st sonar image
is taken from the right side of the F-89..that's why the shadows are on the left...same for the second shot.
Really, if it was a photo image the result would be the same...you're not
privy to an actual image of the separation area of the left wing.

As for the appearance of a ditching, if they were in a situation at high altitude
and were only able to recover at the last moments, wouldn't it be possible
they were involuntarily to a committed ditching? As for the wing not being
immediate to the aircraft, JP is lighter than water. I wonder how long the
left wing would've drifted before it found it's way to the bottom?

One final thing, they had the sonar settings on the lowest rez in order to
extend the range of their image swaths. Now they know where she's at, I'll
wager that they could show us images in a better resolution.

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On Mr. Heath's website, I found it interesting that the Canadian government has requested the GPS coordinates of the wrecksite from GLDC. Why would would they want to find the aircraft? And since it is in Canadian waters what rights do GLDC have?

Regarding the condition of the Scorpion. It definatley looks like a relatively low speed impact to remain mostly intact. The loss of the wing and tail section could be the result of the wing digging into the water and spinning the aircraft, putting latteral pressure on the port side of the tail. Ripping it off the airframe

Shay
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Looks like GLDC is abandoning the F-89 search due to Canadian Government involvement.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=12954

Shay
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