Documentary on the First over Berlin 95th BG

Jiggersfromsphilly · **Joined:** Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:15 pm **Posts:** 951

The unit know as the first over Berlin has a documentary comming out about one of its B-17s.

http://www.moondogfilms.tv/Pages/Upcomi ... ings2.html

The story of pilot John Gross and his crew of B-17 338584, Easy Living will be seen early next year. Check you local PBS station for times.

Flat 12x2 · **Posted:** Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:45 pm

Jiggersfromsphilly wrote:

The unit know as the first over Berlin has a documentary comming out about one of its B-17s.

Apart from all the RAF sqn's who had been over Berlin for 4 years before!

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"
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Jiggersfromsphilly · **Joined:** Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:15 pm **Posts:** 951

Nice point!
Sorry First USAF B-17 Group over Berlin!

drgondog · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:50 am **Posts:** 237

Point well taken on RAF over Berlin years earlier but can't recall them doing it when the sun was up?

Originalboxcar · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:21 am

Flat 12x2 wrote:

Jiggersfromsphilly wrote:

The unit know as the first over Berlin has a documentary comming out about one of its B-17s.

Apart from all the RAF sqn's who had been over Berlin for 4 years before!

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"
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...and they did such a bang up job that the USAAF had to sacrifice 10's of thousands of lives through DAYLIGHT bombing for 3 years. HUH? Don't get upset, just focusing on the truth :wink:

regards,

t~

drgondog · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:50 am **Posts:** 237

As I recall there were great sacrifices by the USAAF Strategic Airforces in the ETO but it seemed that the RAF lost more KIA, POW at night than the USAAF lost in the day - and were not as effective - at least not according to Goering, Speer and the Strategic Bombing Survey.

And, as I further recall, the USAAF dropped more tonnage than the RAF by the end of the war and had a lower loss per sortie overall? Strictly memory because I'm too lazy to go find out...

At any rate, nobody in his right mind denigrates the sacrifices made by ALL of them - just different doctrines by their respective leaders...

Would you argue Bomber Harris was right and Tooey Spaatz was wrong? Just curious..

Regards,

Bill Marshall

warbirdfinder · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:42 pm

Originalboxcar wrote:
"and they did such a bang up job that the USAAF had to sacrifice 10's of thousands of lives through DAYLIGHT bombing for 3 years. HUH? Don't get upset, just focusing on the truth"

Nothing personal, but that is probably one of the dumbest, most ignorant statements I have seen posted. In other words, had they done a "bang up job", the Air Force would have skated home free.

Where do you get the gall to make a stement such as that?

drgondog · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:50 am **Posts:** 237

Warbirdfinder - I DID have to bite my tongue when I saw the remarks by OriginalBoxcar - but figured I misunderstood what he was trying to say.

Net - Net - both the RAF and USAAF had one hell of a war - each losing more KIA than USMC in WWII.

My hat and heart goes out to all of them

Regards,

Bill Marshall

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