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Jack Cook
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or even how many planes did a pilot use to make ace???

Multiple a/c aces
John Landers P-40/P-51
George Davis P-47/F-86
Jim Hagerstrom P-40/F-86
Bill Wisenner P-51/F-86
Harry Thyng Spit/F-86

Using multiple a/c to make ace
Tom Lynch P-39/P-38
Don McGee P-39/P-38/P-51
Jim Howard P-40B/P-51B
George McMillian P-40B/P-38
Don Owen F4F/F4U
George Welch P-40/P-39/P-38
Hal Vita F4F/F6F
Jim Schiller F6F/F4U

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Jack, I might believe there really was a pilot named "Hairy Thing", but not in elegant stylish fighters like Spitfire and F-86. He sounds more like a Marine, probably a Corsair or Wildcat jock. Wonder what his nose art was?

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Ltn. Hans Wind, Brewster/Me-109 / 75 kills
WO. Ilmari Juurilainen, Brewster/Me-109 / 91 kills

Juutilainen possibly scored also with several other planes like Fokker D.XXI.

Ltn. Puhakka scored with Fiat G-50 / Me-109 around 40 kills maybe more.
Wind scored about same amount alone with a Brewster.


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OK Bill,
History class is in session. Pencils down and eyes forward.
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Jack, I might believe there really was a pilot named "Hairy Thing", but not in elegant stylish fighters like Spitfire and F-86. He sounds more like a Marine, probably a Corsair or Wildcat jock. Wonder what his nose art was?

A little respect is in order it's Harry.
First wartime CO of the 309th FS 31st FG took the sqd to England and flew Spit Vs and while in the UK claimed 1 JU-88 probably destroyed and 2 FW-190 has damaged the second being over Dieppe. After the 31st went to N. Africa Thyng claimed a French D520, 3 ME-109s and 1 FW-190 confirmed.
In Aug 1945 has CO of the 413th FG flying P-47Ns he claimed a Oscar has probably destroyed.
During the Korean War he commanded the 4th FIW and was credited with 5 MIGs destroyed and 4 damaged to become 1 of 6 American aces in both WWII & Korean. He is also famous for making claimed over German, French, Japanese & Chinese aircraft during his career. He received 3 Silvers Stars, Legion of Merit, 3 DFCs, 23 Air Medals, Purple Heart & Croix de Guerre. He retired has a B/G and founded and served has president of Daniel Webster College in New Hampshire.
So endeth the lesson.
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Spitfire 5-2-3
P-47N 0-1-0
F-86 5-0-4
Total 10-3-7

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Canada's own Omer Levesque (4 in Spitfires, 1 in Sabre)

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William T. Whisner P-51 @ 18.5 & F-86 @ 5.5
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Heinz Bar and Erich Rudorffer achieved multiple 'ace' scores on each of the three main Luftwaffe fighters; Me109, Fw190 and Me262. :wink:
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aussie ace clive "killer" caldwell---- curtiss kittyhawk & spitfire. north africa & south pacific respectfully.

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john mitchell 339th fg...... p-39's & p-38's

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Douglas Bader - Hurricane/Spitfire
Pierre Closterman - Spitfire/Typhoon/Tempest

All I can think of just now.....

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As to a list of fighter pilots that scored in two or more ships to make ace - many future aces who started in 8th AF in fall of 43 probably got at least one in a P-47 or 38 before moving on to 51's.. guys like Whisner, Preddy, Thornell from 352nd; Koraleski, Myers, Stewart, Elder from 355th, Blakeslee (scored in Spits, 47's and 51's), Goodson (5 or more in both P-47 and 51), Gentile, Godfrey, Hofer of the 4th, etc, etc

Robin Olds had 5 in 38's, 8 in 51's, 4 in F4's in VietNam (many who flew with him say he got the fifth but did not report because he wanted to stay),

Jack as I recall Landers had 6 on 40's, 4 in P-38's and 4.5 in P-51's? so close to having 5 in each but only on P-40.
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What about Francis (Gabby) Gabreski, the leading ace in the European Theater who had 28 aerial kills flying P-47's with the 56th F.G.

Then, in Korea he had 6.5 kills flying F-86's.
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Jack as I recall Landers had 6 on 40's, 4 in P-38's and 4.5 in P-51's? so close to having 5 in each but only on P-40.

I have a habit of putting him and Sid Woods together (he's be another on
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Paul Bechell 1 F4U + 4 P-39
Joe Griffin P-40K & P-38
Darrell Cramer P-38 & P-51
Ben King P-38 & P-51
Joe McKeon P-38 & P-51
John Mitchell scored in the p-39, 38, 51 & F86
Bill Lamb F6F & F9F
OC Chenoweth F6F & F4U
Dewey Durnford F4U & F-86

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DCogdon1 wrote:
Douglas Bader - Hurricane/Spitfire
Pierre Closterman - Spitfire/Typhoon/Tempest

All I can think of just now.....


Except, Closterman didn't score any victories flying the Typhoon. :wink:

And Bader wasn't the only Hurricane/Spitfire ace.
Bob Tuck and Lance Wade both achieved 'ace' status on both Hurricane and Spitfires.

Also, like Pat Pattle, Bill 'Cherry' Vale also achievd 'ace' status on both the Gladiator and Hurricane, and John 'Jack' Frost achieved 'ace' status on the Hurricane and P-40 Tomahawk.
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Firebird wrote:
DCogdon1 wrote:
Douglas Bader - Hurricane/Spitfire
Pierre Closterman - Spitfire/Typhoon/Tempest

All I can think of just now.....


Except, Closterman didn't score any victories flying the Typhoon. :wink:

And Bader wasn't the only Hurricane/Spitfire ace.
Bob Tuck and Lance Wade both achieved 'ace' status on both Hurricane and Spitfires.

Also, like Pat Pattle, Bill 'Cherry' Vale also achievd 'ace' status on both the Gladiator and Hurricane, and John 'Jack' Frost achieved 'ace' status on the Hurricane and P-40 Tomahawk.


Did he not? Hmm. I couldn't remember - been bloody ages since I've read The Big Show! :roll:

Quite forgot about Tuck, though, but to be honest it was early and the brain hadn't quite kicked into gear yet! :wink:

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