What did you do on National Bill of Rights Day ?

Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:39 pm

I went to a reading of the Bill of Rights with about 250 others, was a very enlightening and enjoyable evening.

http://www.bloomfieldpress.com/BOR-Day-2008.htm

Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:06 pm

I personally would be VERY hesitant to celebrate th Bill of Rights in this period of history. I consider myself a patriot -- served proudly in the U. S. Army for three and a half years during the Viet Nam War, and believe deeply in the Bill of Rights.

However, I regard the Bill of Rights largely as a statement of protection for citizens from an overpowerful government, and I believe gov't is becoming so big and so overwhelmingly powerful that the Bill is becoming deeeply compromised. When the gov't can lock people up forever with no trial and no recourse; when the gov't can torture people with no recourse; when the gov't can essentially declare martial law in the name of "National Security" with no recourse -- the Bill of Rights has a real problem. Make no mistake, Folks, if these bastards can do it to "ragheads" they can do it to you too!!!

I'm concerned when the gov't can give away trillions of dollars of my Grandkids' money to their banking buddies (who largely caused the financial meltdown to begin with) and then refuse to tell us who they're giving our money to. We have no recourse here -- try to get these jerks to tell you where your money is going!!

Please -- I want no replies here to this, and I do not wish to start another pointless political debate -- I just feel deeply about my freedom and my descendants' freedom, and I think we're losing it here. This is just my very humble opinion and I realise and respect the fact that many here will disagree with how I see the world. I just needed to say something...

Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:57 pm

Neal Nurmi wrote:I personally would be VERY hesitant to celebrate th Bill of Rights in this period of history. I consider myself a patriot -- served proudly in the U. S. Army for three and a half years during the Viet Nam War, and believe deeply in the Bill of Rights.

However, I regard the Bill of Rights largely as a statement of protection for citizens from an overpowerful government, and I believe gov't is becoming so big and so overwhelmingly powerful that the Bill is becoming deeeply compromised. When the gov't can lock people up forever with no trial and no recourse; when the gov't can torture people with no recourse; when the gov't can essentially declare martial law in the name of "National Security" with no recourse -- the Bill of Rights has a real problem. Make no mistake, Folks, if these bastards can do it to "ragheads" they can do it to you too!!!

I'm concerned when the gov't can give away trillions of dollars of my Grandkids' money to their banking buddies (who largely caused the financial meltdown to begin with) and then refuse to tell us who they're giving our money to. We have no recourse here -- try to get these jerks to tell you where your money is going!!

Please -- I want no replies here to this, and I do not wish to start another pointless political debate -- I just feel deeply about my freedom and my descendants' freedom, and I think we're losing it here. This is just my very humble opinion and I realise and respect the fact that many here will disagree with how I see the world. I just needed to say something...

Niel,
That was the point of the evening, to show how far the govt has gotten from the Bill of Rights, and unless poeple are willing to make thier voices heard it will get mch worse.

Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:02 pm

Amen Matt -- these are scary times on many levels, and I think far too few of us are willing to think for ourselves and stand up for what we say we believe in...

I suspect you and I would disagree on many details of what we see as the way to go to recover our Bill of Rights -- I am much more socially liberal and anti-stupid-war in general and in favour of certain sorts of government regulation (as in financial service and banking matters and in protection from what Ike called the "Military-Industrial complex") than many here.

I do, however, strongly believe that that gov't has gotten way too big and way too powerful and somehow we need to regain some sort of control over it or our grandkids will never have a chance to have what we have been blessed with!

ILLEGITIMATUS NON CARBORUNDUM

Don't let the Bastards grind you down!

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Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:42 pm

Before anyone starts to think that this was a gathering of paranoid rednecks, it was held at the Wrigley Mansion, in the Biltmore section of Phoenix. The Biltmore is where several Presidents have stayed. Speakers were a radio personality, lawyers, authors, a rep from the ACLU, past elected officials and a newly elected official. After the reading there was a townhall discussion. It was a 3 hr event that could have gone on for another 3hrs and no one would have complained.

Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:56 pm

Neil, you are from Canada by your address, yet you served in the Vietnam in the U S Army. How is that, eh?

Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:48 pm

Bill -- I am American through and through. I grew up in the woods in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and lived in Northern California after discharge from the Army. In 1992 I met a Lady who lived in Toronto, Canada -- she was making twice as much money as I was -- had a career while I had a job (which was getting quite dangerous too, at that time) so I became a Canadian, on paper at least! Actually I'm just a legal resident up here -- would never give up my American citizenship...

Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:41 am

So, with such concern for the status of the Bill of Rights, why didn't I see more support for Ron Paul for President over the last year?

He was the ONLY candidate that had a zero-compromises platform with respect to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:41 am

Randy is 100% right. He was the only candidate with a zero compromises policy.

Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:23 am

Randy Haskin wrote:So, with such concern for the status of the Bill of Rights, why didn't I see more support for Ron Paul for President over the last year?

He was the ONLY candidate that had a zero-compromises platform with respect to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

Everything has to start small and build from there, it is slowly gathering speed........... Your F-15 did not start out as one, it was sheetmetal and rivits to start with, just took awile to where it is now........