US WW1 ammunition?

[Fouga23]

Anyone know what type of round the one on the left is? Should be WW 1US. The one on the right is a french one.
Bottom reads 10/17/SE/C
I guess the 17 means 1917? What about the rest?

[Fouga23]

forgot the pictures:

[Ztex]

Hard to tell form the photo but I think it is a 30.06 Springfield training round.

It is not a live round. The flutes on the side are to distinguish it from a round that could be fired. These were used for training the men to use the action and for dry firing.

The bullet diameter should be close to .308" or 7.82 MM. Over all length should be @ 3.34" or 84.8 MM. These measurements may vary but it should be somewhere close.

[Fouga23]

Thanks for the info. So even though it looks to have what seems like a primer cap, it is not a live round?
Both these rounds were found on the WW1 battlefield in Flanders. Makes me wonder why a soldier carries training ammo on a battlefield

[Ztex]

Interesting. They may have done training in the field or it might have been a procedure to keep a round in the chamber during down times, maybe to keep mud out of the action or something? Not very logical, but who knows?

It does seem that it has a primer. It could have been an inert primer. There is the school of thought that dry firing will damage the firing pin, and in some cases this is correct. But, most if not all military arms will withstand dry firing with no problems. They make training rounds now days out of plastic with a silicone or spring loaded cap to give the firing pin something to hit.

It is not a shootable round. The flutes would allow for unwanted expansion of the case causing potentially catastrophic damage to the gun and the shooter.

I don't know what the headstamp means...if you feel like going into the world of cartridge identification/collecting...here's a place to begin...

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewto ... 134&t=5807

Cool!
What else have you got from Flanders Fields?

[Fouga23]

This is all I got. Have them laying around for many many years and allways wondered what they were.

[Ztex]

I posted your photo over at the Surplus Rifle Forum...and got this answer for your French Cartridge.

Cartouche Modèle 1886 à Balle D, commonly called Balle D

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=152&p=513308#p513308

[Fouga23]

thanks for the info

[Hal B]

I posted your photo over at the Surplus Rifle Forum...and got this answer for your French Cartridge.

Cartouche Modèle 1886 à Balle D, commonly called Balle D

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=152&p=513308#p513308

Commonly known as 8mm Lebel here in the states...

And Zane is correct, the other round is a 30-06 dummy round.