Saddam execution ?

[RMAllnutt]

Thanks Tom... a very happy new year to you too!

All the best,
Richard

[Bill Greenwood]

Just as emotion without any intelectual anlysis, when I knew that the execution was imminent, it was a sad feeling, that anyone has to come to that end. Now days later I'm mainly glad that he's gone, though I doubt if the next fanatic there is much better.Did anyone see the photo on the news of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam?If he's our tyrant he must be ok, it is the other guys killer that is the problem!

[Shay]

In my opinion he'll become a martyr to the insurgents and those that might be influence by their rhetoric. As it seems to be doing already.

He should been made a public fool for the rest of his life.

Blind folded, handcuffed and naked, they should have made him go around the desert picking up rocks with his butt cheeks. Then broadcast it daily across Aljazeera. No one will fight in the name of a man who has to pick up pebbles with his anus.

Death was too quick and good for him and will only serve to fuel the fires anti-american sentiment over there.

Shay
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[bdk]

Death was too quick and good for him and will only serve to fuel the fires anti-american sentiment over there.

Do you honestly think that would have made a difference?

[Shay]

Death was too quick and good for him and will only serve to fuel the fires anti-american sentiment over there.

Do you honestly think that would have made a difference?

Do you honetly think it wouldn't make a difference??

These are the same people that rioted because a Dane drew a stupid cartoon of Muhammed.

These are the same people that rioted because the Pope commented on some 1000 year old written words.

These are the same people that kill each other because one guy's name is Omar and the other is Rasheed.

Saddam is dead....you can't hurt his image anymore. However great he was in the minds of his followers, when was hung, he will forever be now. If he had continued live then you could still destruct his image in the minds of the people until he was a mere shell of his former self.

You don't think Death was too good for him? He can only die once but you can make him feel pain and agony for all the deaths he has caused and lives he has disrupted for the remainder of his life.

The best punishing deaths aren't quick they're very very slow.

What's wrong with that when dealing with a man of this type?

Shay
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[bdk]

Do you honetly think it wouldn't make a difference??

These are the same people that rioted because a Dane drew a stupid cartoon of Muhammed.

These are the same people that rioted because the Pope commented on some 1000 year old written words.

These are the same people that kill each other because one guy's name is Omar and the other is Rasheed.

Saddam is dead....you can't hurt his image anymore. However great he was in the minds of his followers, when was hung, he will forever be now. If he had continued live then you could still destruct his image in the minds of the people until he was a mere shell of his former self.

You don't think Death was too good for him? He can only die once but you can make him feel pain and agony for all the deaths he has caused and lives he has disrupted for the remainder of his life.

The best punishing deaths aren't quick they're very very slow.

What's wrong with that when dealing with a man of this type?

Those idiots riot at the drop of a hat, more than liberals at a WTO conference. What is the significance of one more riot? It only demonstrates how ridiculous their position is.

If Saddam was still alive he would be preaching to his minions. That is far more dangerous in my opinion. Did the US kill him? If the US had intervened to prevent his hanging, the US would have been bashed for pulling the strings then too. You can't win either way.

So you recommend a slow death through torture? That should go over great with the UN!

[tom d. friedman]

to execute someone in a slow painful manner would put us on the jihadist's level of barbarism. these fanatics are the lowest common denominator of human beings & have no love or respect for life, starting with their own. sadaam deserved the noose but if he was tortured inhumanely then his executioners were no better than him or his rotten deeds.

[Jack Cook]

Has my grandpa used to say
"good riddance to bad rubbish"

[Shay]

To each his own

Perhaps I'm bit more vengeful, I've lost friends to IEDs and mortar attacks. I lost Chinook full of friends to an RPG. I was shaking hands and patting guys on the back one day and a month later they were gone. I went to the funeral for a Navy Seal who helped rescue Jessica Lynch. She gets a $3 million dollar book deal for getting tossed and his wife and 4 little children have to figure out how they're gonna live after the SGLI is gone.

So no, it really wouldn't bother me to see these guys suffer.

Shay
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[tom d. friedman]

the entire thing snowballed into a mess that nobody is going to be satisfied with, regardless of where your stand is.. however.... i'm glad to see repeated thanks & respect conveyed to the iraq vets from the majority of civilians, unlike vietnam, when you were a vet you went home in your civvies to avoid being spit on & dogged.

[Bill Greenwood]

Shay, I have not lost any personal friends there, but I am sick for the thousands we have lost including many who have lifetime wounds. Who is responsible? Iraq is like a field of rattlesnakes. Who sent our young people there? As evil as Saddam is, he was in custody a couple of years and our losses still grew. Ieds are nasty things, but we invaded their country, what would you expect them to do? They don't have Abrahms and B-52s. Could you find any better use for the $500 Billion we've wasted? Kid's cancer research for example. Bush never saw a minute of combat nor Cheney, nor Rice, but as long as people vote for em we'll see more dead. Lindberg wrote of atrocities by Americans in Pacific, Kerry the same in Nam ,and now we are seeing it in Iraq. I especially feel sorry for the parent who sent kids over there and got back someone who shot women and children.

[bdk]

Lindberg wrote of atrocities by Americans in Pacific, Kerry the same in Nam ,and now we are seeing it in Iraq. I especially feel sorry for the parent who sent kids over there and got back someone who shot women and children.

War is atrocious, but look into your own cities and you will see atrocities just as bad. You send tens of thousands of young people somewhere with guns and you are bound to have a few bad apples float to the surface. That however does not mean that the mission is not a worthwhile one.

[Shay]

I have no love for President Bush and his adminstration. I felt we went into Iraq prematurely before exercising all possible options to their fullest extent. I may not agree with the President's decisions or policies, but as a Military Service Member I took an oath to follow them. And that's what I did and would continue to do. I may not like the orders or the person giving them, but I believe in the sanctity of the Military Structure. So I shut my mouth and do the job I volunteered to do. I have no time for whinners, crybabies or deserters.....zero drama. Either pick up the rifle when your country calls on you or sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up....I'll do the job for you. If my country were to ask me to come back into the military I'd be there before they finished the sentence. I'd go to Iraq or Afghanistan not to fight for Bush or for the Iraqi people, But to accomplish the mission as dictated to me by my military leaders and to watch the backs of my Brothers and Sisters-At-Arms. If Hadji wants to die for Allah, I've got no problem with that.

I don't presume to judge Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors for the challenges that they have faced overthere. I'm not there, I wasn't with them so I'll never know what really happened. Not in a country where its commonly believed that there are 2 kinds of people. Insurgents and those who will become insurgents. Because there are children who throw grenades at Hummvees and where women fire AK-47s at our troops while carrying a child. Or where a Service Member gets sniped while he's giving candy to children.

You may not like the job we as the Military do, but it's you the voters who elected the people who sent us over there to do it.

You want change ....stand up and make change.

Shay
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[Bill Greenwood]

Shay, You don't want to judge soldiers. Some of them have not only been charged, but admitted murdering unarmed women and children. These aren't grey areas, they aren't people who were "armed with an Ak-47" or "throwing a grenade". As for the oath, it has been a long time since I was in the service; do you take an oath to Bush personally? You seem to say that a soldier should never doubt a military leader and do anything ordered. Wasn't that the defense offered by Nazis at Nueremberg and rejected by the Allies? As a soldier you can also vote, and you don't lose your other civil rights. I voted against Bush before and I'll vote against the war the next time. But the key point I tried to make was the loss of so many of our young people, and as with Nixon it goes on as long as the voters and the public let it. You don't see Bush or Cheney or their families are taking any casualties do you?

[Shay]

Bill

You're a good guy, I can respect your point of view.

I stated before I'm not a fan of Bush. I think to be President should carry along with it the prerequisite of being a good public speaker at the least.

That being said yes I do take my oath seriously. I swore to defend the constitution and obey the President the orders of those appointed above me. I like to think of my oath to the Office of the Presidency and not to the man Bush. If I didn't take it seriously then I had no business being in the service.

I'm not going to get into debate of Lawful and unlawful orders and I like to think that you're not meaning to compare todays U.S. Military to being Nazis. The sad truth about war is that there are no saints and some are worse than others. I can't even begin to imagine what their thought process was.

Your'e right Service members do have a voice and vote in the election. But your civil liberties are somewhat suspended during your service. For example you don't have the right to assembly. There are certain groups a service member can not be members of. Freedom of speech is curtailed. A Service Membercan't go around piping his displeasure with the government without incurring the rath of the chain of command and ultimately the UCMJ. Now this is not to say you have no civil liberities but while being in the military there are limitations. but i think this beyond the scope of this discussion.

Bill I think in some ways you and I are looking the same direction just from 2 different point of fews. And that is fine , this is what makes this country great...the "ability to think differently from each other"

Shay
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